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**Force Flow** · 02-24-2003, 09:56 PM

Are there any performance/quality differences between a flat screen CRT and a standard curved screen CRT?

Fastfly · 02-24-2003, 10:10 PM

Flats Have alot less glare.

Kubie · 02-24-2003, 10:12 PM

force_flow2002,

After using both types, I find that my eyes are not as strained with the flat screen. Much easier on the eyes.

Carl

not important · 02-24-2003, 10:19 PM

Ditto. Less glare and less eye strain for me.

Furius92 · 02-24-2003, 11:08 PM

It's a huge difference. After getting used to a flat display monitor, going back to the regular convex ones is, well, annoying. If you have a choice, definitely get a flat display monitor; they aren't much more expensive than a comparable convex monitor.

macrymble · 02-24-2003, 11:11 PM

i always like how when i look at a flat screen after using a curved screen for 3 years, it looks like it actually curves inward.

Redo40 · 02-24-2003, 11:16 PM

Definitely less glare and eye strain.

Tuf · 02-25-2003, 12:29 AM

Flat screens are easier on the eyes and display lines and grids more accurately than curved screens.

There's nothing wrong with a really high quality curved screen but they will have more glare. That and they haven't made any really high quality ones for a few years.

**Force Flow** · 02-25-2003, 12:52 AM

Thanks guys!

Lol, macrymble! I've noticed that when I use the library's flat screen LCD's

Spyda · 02-25-2003, 03:47 AM

yea, they definitely do somethignto your eyes, I have a flatscreen and my brother has a curved screen, and it seems the pictures are wierdly warped to me when i look at it, but he cant see it

RJ · 02-25-2003, 06:48 AM

Flat is very nice, I like it better than a curved one.
But actually I only like the Flatrons, not the Trinitrons with the two damper wires.

For a CRT, I wouldn't get anything but a Flatron.

RJ

**Force Flow** · 02-25-2003, 07:46 AM

How are the ViewSonics?

mountaineer · 02-25-2003, 09:14 AM

I've got a View Sonic True Flat 17 inch and it's exellent. I paid a little bit of cash for it , but I wanted the better dot pitch. I do a lot of work with photographs. I think the price has dropped quite a bit in the past year though.

Spyda · 02-25-2003, 10:04 AM

I cant even see the damper wires, only on a fuuly bright white screen

***glc*** · 02-25-2003, 10:33 AM

If you like flat screens, the KDS XF series is a heck of a deal. They are dirt cheap and look very nice.

Redo40 · 02-25-2003, 01:51 PM

I have been using a Viewsonic true flat 19" for about a year and really like it. The picture is clear, colors look good and haven't noticed any eyestrain.

**Force Flow** · 02-25-2003, 03:01 PM

Is the KDS XF series good for graphic design?

***glc*** · 02-25-2003, 06:19 PM

It seems to be pretty linear but it's nowhere near as nice as a Trinitron style tube.

Tuf · 02-25-2003, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Is the KDS XF series good for graphic design?

They are nice cheap monitors, but they are not that nice!

They really do have a nice picture for general use. There's just no contest between a shadow mask monitor and an aperature grill monitor for design work.

If you have access to a place that has some high end monitors on display ask them to run some setup utilities and show you the difference. You'll understand why some monitors are better than others.

BlindFish · 02-26-2003, 07:22 AM

Oops - just posted something stupid. Thought you were talking about tfts... you're not though are you?

**Force Flow** · 02-26-2003, 07:51 AM

What CRT's are good for graphic design?

***glc*** · 02-26-2003, 11:46 AM

High end CRT's - preferably with Trinitron style tubes - Sony and Iiyama come to mind first.

Spyda · 02-26-2003, 12:13 PM

all the CAD computers at my college are trinitrons

**Force Flow** · 02-26-2003, 01:14 PM

Would a monitor usually say if it has a Trinitron style tube or not in its discription?

***glc*** · 02-27-2003, 08:57 AM

Trinitron - Diamondtron - "aperture grill" as opposed to "shadow mask". Note that these have the 2 grill support wires which are visible as fine black horizontal lines on a white page.

**Force Flow** · 02-27-2003, 04:55 PM

If they're high end, then why do they have lines running through them? Isn't that annoying for doing precise graphic work?

suitcase · 02-27-2003, 08:24 PM

Should dot pitch be the main deciding factor in monitor choice? Is that the "quality" point for which one should look?

Big Weapons · 02-27-2003, 10:27 PM

The two wires are to hold the grill in place because without them, the aperture grill would vibrate and the image would be distorted.

**Force Flow** · 02-27-2003, 10:45 PM

I just found a good explaination of the shadow mask and aperture grill here: http://www.pcguide.com/ref/crt/crtMask-c.html

i3OSS · 02-28-2003, 01:26 AM

If CRT are dots then what are tft? squares? and i also have this very annoying line across the screen, could there a broken metal mesh?
*EDIT* Put a water droplet on ur crt, theres the colors. ive noticed it before but never took the time to wonder why it was there.

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Kubie Retired Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Modesto,Calif Posts: 4,042	force_flow2002, After using both types, I find that my eyes are not as strained with the flat screen. Much easier on the eyes. Carl Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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not important Member (12 bit) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 3,557	Ditto. Less glare and less eye strain for me. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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Furius92 Resident NORML Supporter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York Posts: 1,184	It's a huge difference. After getting used to a flat display monitor, going back to the regular convex ones is, well, annoying. If you have a choice, definitely get a flat display monitor; they aren't much more expensive than a comparable convex monitor. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Asus P5B-E - Core 2 Duo E6300 @ 2.4 GHz - 2GB Corsair XMS2 - HIS X1650 XT Turbo - 400GB Seagate 7200.10 - Sound Blaster Audigy SE - Samsung 960BF LCD - Antec P180B - Corsair HX620W

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02-24-2003, 11:11 PM	#6
macrymble Member (8 bit) Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mississippi Posts: 221	i always like how when i look at a flat screen after using a curved screen for 3 years, it looks like it actually curves inward. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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Redo40 Member (12 bit) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Arkansas Posts: 2,170	Definitely less glare and eye strain. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Roger "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius

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Tuf Member (12 bit) Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,261	Flat screens are easier on the eyes and display lines and grids more accurately than curved screens. There's nothing wrong with a really high quality curved screen but they will have more glare. That and they haven't made any really high quality ones for a few years. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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Force Flow Barefoot on the Moon! Staff Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Northeastern USA Posts: 13,285	Thanks guys! Lol, macrymble! I've noticed that when I use the library's flat screen LCD's Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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Spyda snowboarder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: UK Posts: 2,462	yea, they definitely do somethignto your eyes, I have a flatscreen and my brother has a curved screen, and it seems the pictures are wierdly warped to me when i look at it, but he cant see it Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Antec Sonata - Abit IS7-E - P4 2.4/800 @ 3.0 - 1GB OCZ Gold DDR500 - FX5950 Ultra 256MB - Audigy 2 - WD JB 80GB - XP Pro

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RJ Member (14 bit) Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Offenbach/Main (Germany) Posts: 8,485	Flat is very nice, I like it better than a curved one. But actually I only like the Flatrons, not the Trinitrons with the two damper wires. For a CRT, I wouldn't get anything but a Flatron. RJ Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ All's right with the world when your PC is working right.

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Force Flow Barefoot on the Moon! Staff Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Northeastern USA Posts: 13,285	How are the ViewSonics? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

02-25-2003, 09:14 AM	#13
mountaineer Member (9 bit) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Almost Heaven, West Virginia Posts: 256	I've got a View Sonic True Flat 17 inch and it's exellent. I paid a little bit of cash for it , but I wanted the better dot pitch. I do a lot of work with photographs. I think the price has dropped quite a bit in the past year though. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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Spyda snowboarder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: UK Posts: 2,462	I cant even see the damper wires, only on a fuuly bright white screen Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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*glc* Forum Administrator Staff Premium Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 36,460	If you like flat screens, the KDS XF series is a heck of a deal. They are dirt cheap and look very nice. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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Redo40 Member (12 bit) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Arkansas Posts: 2,170	I have been using a Viewsonic true flat 19" for about a year and really like it. The picture is clear, colors look good and haven't noticed any eyestrain. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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Force Flow Barefoot on the Moon! Staff Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Northeastern USA Posts: 13,285	Is the KDS XF series good for graphic design? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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*glc* Forum Administrator Staff Premium Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 36,460	It seems to be pretty linear but it's nowhere near as nice as a Trinitron style tube. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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BlindFish Member (7 bit) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 104	Oops - just posted something stupid. Thought you were talking about tfts... you're not though are you? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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Force Flow Barefoot on the Moon! Staff Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Northeastern USA Posts: 13,285	What CRT's are good for graphic design? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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*glc* Forum Administrator Staff Premium Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 36,460	High end CRT's - preferably with Trinitron style tubes - Sony and Iiyama come to mind first. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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Spyda snowboarder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: UK Posts: 2,462	all the CAD computers at my college are trinitrons Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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Force Flow Barefoot on the Moon! Staff Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Northeastern USA Posts: 13,285	Would a monitor usually say if it has a Trinitron style tube or not in its discription? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

02-27-2003, 08:57 AM	#25
*glc* Forum Administrator Staff Premium Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 36,460	Trinitron - Diamondtron - "aperture grill" as opposed to "shadow mask". Note that these have the 2 grill support wires which are visible as fine black horizontal lines on a white page. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

02-27-2003, 04:55 PM	#26
Force Flow Barefoot on the Moon! Staff Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Northeastern USA Posts: 13,285	If they're high end, then why do they have lines running through them? Isn't that annoying for doing precise graphic work? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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02-27-2003, 08:24 PM	#27
suitcase Member (10 bit) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Central Virginia Posts: 777	Should dot pitch be the main deciding factor in monitor choice? Is that the "quality" point for which one should look? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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Big Weapons Member (9 bit) Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Milpitas, CA Posts: 428	The two wires are to hold the grill in place because without them, the aperture grill would vibrate and the image would be distorted. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

02-27-2003, 10:45 PM	#29
Force Flow Barefoot on the Moon! Staff Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Northeastern USA Posts: 13,285	I just found a good explaination of the shadow mask and aperture grill here: http://www.pcguide.com/ref/crt/crtMask-c.html Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

02-28-2003, 01:26 AM	#30
i3OSS The Procrastinator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,653	If CRT are dots then what are tft? squares? and i also have this very annoying line across the screen, could there a broken metal mesh? EDIT Put a water droplet on ur crt, theres the colors. ive noticed it before but never took the time to wonder why it was there. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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