Vista's cheaper competition with alot of the same Goodies

[Ob1]

http://www.crn.com/showArticle.jhtml...leID=188703320

[faulkner132]

The problem is most commercial applications are Windows based. For example all the products my company sells only run on Windows as desktop applications so Mac/Linux users are not even considered. Additionally you have to deal with the average computer user who, most likely, will freak out when they see something different.

I'm all about Linux, but at the workplace it is simply not feasible. Once everything becomes web-based (if it ever does) and all you need is a browser, I can see it start to happen.

[mairving]

That article is 6 months old. The new version has been around since July and there as been no buzz about it. There has been much more buzz about Apple and it's new bootcamp. Apple has a far better chance that any Linux version doesn currently just because of this. Too bad Mac's are still so pricey.

[Ob1]

yeah was strolling the site last night after having a few beers, i guess i should of looked at the date, my bad.

i know application support on Linux is its major downfall, but i thought you could run WINE or some sort of emulation software to be able to run windows programs on Linux OS's? Or am i wrong in that statement.

[faulkner132]

Originally Posted by Ob1 i know application support on Linux is its major downfall, but i thought you could run WINE or some sort of emulation software to be able to run windows programs on Linux OS's? Or am i wrong in that statement.

There is no way vendors are going to support their application running through WINE. The dedicated nerds/elite *may* be able to get it to work, but WINE's acronym explains why nobody in their right mind would support it.

WINE= Wine Is Not an Emulator = WINE is not Windows

If you have every actually tried to use WINE, you will see what I mean.

[Ob1]

thanks for the clarification Faulkner

[faulkner132]

Originally Posted by Ob1 yeah was strolling the site last night after having a few beers

I'm guilty of worse in the same scenario.

[Ind-PC_student]

Originally Posted by faulkner132 There is no way vendors are going to support their application running through WINE. The dedicated nerds/elite *may* be able to get it to work, but WINE's acronym explains why nobody in their right mind would support it. WINE= Wine Is Not an Emulator = WINE is not Windows if you have every actually tried to use WINE, you will see what I mean.

I used the WINE twice for the games blades of heaven and the laxious power 3 [rpg maker 2000 stand alone packages] they work very well but with no sound, although i did not achieve full succsses with the wine, it taught me some skills i will put to use on other win apps and maybe try again and do better next time with research and of course some nice music on the background.

Although commercial software is not available for linux most of the open source alternatives do the job very well, i agree they somethimes lack the sofistication of the proprietary counterparts, they do have the flexibility for customization. [if you have or are willing to learn those skills]

I have been using Linux for some years now and i think I have gathered some skills i actualy enjoy using, and I should add, I have enjoyed using linux and windows on dual boot basis now I will try this XEN hypervisor just for fun.

Either way it is nice to know windows, PC BSD and linux they show you you can do the same work in different ways.

[faulkner132]

This might be off the subject, but the new Linux 2.6.20 kernel will now have the ability to run virtual machines built in to the OS. I'm pretty excited about this.

[LocoCoyote]

I'm all about Linux, but at the workplace it is simply not feasible. Once everything becomes web-based (if it ever does) and all you need is a browser, I can see it start to happen.[/QUOTE]

I think that is a somewhat dated opinion! Most major Linux distributions today are as easy to install as windows and come with enough user friendly graphical goodies that any Windows user would feel right at home. True, there are some minor differences in the use, but I'd be willing to bet you can take a MS Office user and sit him or her down behind open office and they would get along just fine!

Just my 2 € cents

[faulkner132]

Originally Posted by LocoCoyote I think that is a somewhat dated opinion! Most major Linux distributions today are as easy to install as windows and come with enough user friendly graphical goodies that any Windows user would feel right at home. True, there are some minor differences in the use, but I'd be willing to bet you can take a MS Office user and sit him or her down behind open office and they would get along just fine! Just my 2 € cents

I totally disagree. There are 100's of commercial programs people rely on outside of MS Office.

Try finding a QuickBooks, AutoCAD, Estimating System, Human Resources Management, (the list goes on) equivalent in Linux. Not to mention the personnel to handle Tech Support. I'm speaking from first hand experience when I say Linux is no threat to MS in the office desktop market.

[Ind-PC_student]

Originally Posted by faulkner132 I totally disagree. There are 100's of commercial programs people rely on outside of MS Office. Try finding a QuickBooks, AutoCAD, Estimating System, Human Resources Management, (the list goes on) equivalent in Linux. Not to mention the personnel to handle Tech Support. I'm speaking from first hand experience when I say Linux is no threat to MS in the office desktop market.

i agree but it is just a question of time, actually i have read about a company that deals with similar software, launch a Linux version and about this threat in the office desktop, i actualy read article on French migration to open source desktops, not much a threat now but getting there slowly!

[bd1886]

People are starting to at least know what Linux is. Apps. like oo are making in roads. No pressure mention is kind of the attitude that'll take it to the next stage. Name recognition,and finally the gurus are starting to strut their stuff with the eye candy! Develope stuff kids appreciate and then you'll see things change fast. They'll spread the cool factor like nothing and eventually the playing field will be more fair and level. AMD didn't earn their huge market share making chips for business apps.

[Dodge7]

Yeah, programs like Visio and AutoCad have little competition on the Linux siide. I switched from Mac to windows becuase of so many programs I needed for work...AutoCad Lite, PDA conenction programs, Powerpont, etc, etc, a Linux White box would have issues.... no close programs for them.

Even with Excel, many people would cry bloody murder if made to use open office instead, Exel has many features that users just have to have. From what I have seen of open office, it lacks at least half of them.

[heymrdj]

When Linux make it so ALL compiling jobs are completely automated, like the exe system on Windows, then it can become mainstream. But until then, no one wants to learn how to run the Linux Shell and all the codes involved just to install a program. I am seeing more and more DEBS and RPMS today, which is great. But we are going to have to see a whole lot more and in alot more programs. For now, linux is still really for the people who know at least teh basics of Linux Shell.

[faulkner132]

Originally Posted by heymrdj When Linux make it so ALL compiling jobs are completely automated, like the exe system on Windows, then it can become mainstream. But until then, no one wants to learn how to run the Linux Shell and all the codes involved just to install a program. I am seeing more and more DEBS and RPMS today, which is great. But we are going to have to see a whole lot more and in alot more programs. For now, linux is still really for the people who know at least teh basics of Linux Shell.

I disagree totally.
On my latest Ubuntu load, I have installed *everything* through the Synaptic, which is 100% idiot proof. All dependencies are automatically downloaded and installed for you.

If you want to run the latest build of programs before they are available in the repositories, then yes you will need some command line experience, but 99% of home users would never do this.

[heymrdj]

But I also find Ubuntu can be incompatible with alot of vital software. Such as VHCS, which is Debian based software, goes into what is equatable as RPM hell on 85% of computers that try it.

[faulkner132]

Originally Posted by heymrdj Such as VHCS, which is Debian based software, goes into what is equatable as RPM hell on 85% of computers that try it.

Originally Posted by faulkner132 99% of home users would never do this.

100% of home users would never need to run a hosting control panel.

[heymrdj]

I gave as an example. I'm saying the much of the standard Debian packages don't work on Ubuntu, and even more so on Kubuntu. Lets face it, it only take one problem for the regular joe to go crazy and refute the idea for linux. I believe a KDE Fedora would be a more stable platform for first time users.

[hartken]

Linux is horrible to develop on for personal applications. The last IDE I used was eMacs and that was like going back to the 80s. If you want free windows just download it. Vista was on the torrents a long time ago with all the security patches. You loose so many apps when you go off of windows for PCs because the rest of the world develops everything for Windows. There will never be a free OS because a lot of work Microsoft does is meant more for developers. What the user sees is just the tip of the iceberg. Linux is great for servers and is much better then anything Microsoft has out on the market but horrible for the PCs. My two cents btw.

[StykFacE]

how would i go about installing Linux on my machine? i've been hearing this "Ubuntu" one is the best. i have XP Home on a home built machine at the house. could i do a dual boot easily, without losing my current data?

i kinda want to do this. seriously...

[glc]

Hartken, please read the forum rules - specifically rule 9. We don't tolerate discussions here involving software piracy.

- Admin -

[heymrdj]

Originally Posted by StykFacE how would i go about installing Linux on my machine? i've been hearing this "Ubuntu" one is the best. i have XP Home on a home built machine at the house. could i do a dual boot easily, without losing my current data? i kinda want to do this. seriously...

I don't recommend the dual boot. I have wiped my system's partition 3 out of 5 times trying to remove the Linux and go back to Windows after the fact. At the minimum you need two HD's in the computer, one for Windows and the other for Linux. By I seriously recommend you use another computer to fool with Linux. People say they can get along well together, but too many of my experiences point to the fact the Dual Boot system is too risky. If you want to remove the Linux, you have to use FIXBOOT and FIXMBR commands from the Windows XP Install CD, which in itself can be risky business. I lost 380GB of files to accidently pressing the wrong key and it install Windows over again and redid the partitions rather than going to the Repair console.

[StykFacE]

well that just knocked out my interest in installing Linux. thanks for the heads up. lol

[glc]

If you want to learn Linux, just rig up an old computer on a KVM. My Linux box is a K6-2/500 with 256 ram and a 20 gig hard drive. You can darn near find rigs like that in dumpsters these days.

[StykFacE]

Hmm i might have to do that. because i'm the "tech guy" among all my family/friends i find computers like that passing through my house regularly. i have the KVM switch already, plus half the parts anyways... fo shizzle. thanks again glc.

[faulkner132]

Originally Posted by StykFacE how would i go about installing Linux on my machine? i've been hearing this "Ubuntu" one is the best. i have XP Home on a home built machine at the house. could i do a dual boot easily, without losing my current data? i kinda want to do this. seriously...

http://132solutions.com/index.php?op...&id=1&Itemid=4

[Surrender Earthlings]

It's no more problematic than Windows, really. Unfortunately, people aren't always as helpful on the Ubuntu forums as they are, here.