runing MAC on a Windows OS

[Briab Guy]

I made a boot disk that when I boot off it the PC instead of windows, becomes a Linux machine. All the icons.
You have Package manager, Control Center, Software manager etc... for all purposes it becomes a Linux.

There is supposed to be one for Apple. Can anyone help me here? I need a boot disk to start up my PC so it will become a mac.

thaNKS

[Force Flow]

Putting OS X on a PC is called a hackentosh project, and it goes against the EULA. Running OS X in a virtual machine on a PC is also against the EULA. OS X is only supported on Apple hardware.

[David M]

There are websites which describe how to do to this. Since it is against forum rules to specify them, you are the one who will have to do a relatively easy Google search to find them.

[Briab Guy]

wow. I did know it was illeagle. Which is strange to me since I would think of it as a advertising tool. You can't keep any of the work you do while using it.
Thanks alot

[strollin]

Just because it's against the EULA, doesn't mean it's illegal.

[XxKRazykidxX]

So wait. To put mac OS on a computer, you have to just go out and buy a mac? That's sad. I was hoping to do a custom with a Mac OS

[David M]

I agree Strollin.

It's funny how Apple does not like having their OS run on others hardware but does not mind having Windows running on their computer hardware. This seems a little hypocritical to me.

If there is a law that says people cannot run operating systems on others hardware then wouldn't Apple be a law breaker given they have Boot Camp?

A corporation cannot write law. We would need to see such a law on the books for Apple to say what what they desire is illegal.

Given that, I think it is legal to put Apple OSX on PC hardware unless someone can show me a law which makes this illegal.

Is it ethical? I think so, if you pay for the OS.

[Nuclear Krusader]

We 'pay for the OS', but we don't own it, in reality we are paying for a licence to use it, licence that is revoked when we don't use it as the EULA states. The same is true for M$ Windows. I remember when in a M$ training we were told that to have a cybercafe with Windows machines was illegal, because we were charging other people for their using Windows and that was against the EULA: M$ considers that as renting what is theirs without them making the profit. When some of us responded to that by saying that then we'd migrate to Linux, the presentator got very upset, and I mean really, visibly upset: anyone could tell from her countenance and sudden stammering that she was very angry.

All a bunch of BS, really.

Yes, corporations don't write law openly yet, though they actually do by having their lawyers influence policy; they also try to regulate everything they can by means of patents and other devisings.

[David M]

Still though, where is a law that prohibits this? Apple seems to think it is legal with Boot Camp.

If corporations could write law then imagine all the crazy things we would be required to do or not be allowed to do?

Corporations simply do not have the legal authority to tell us what we can and cannot do.

[Nuclear Krusader]

Well, we can't download music to begin with. Even recording it off the radio is 'illegal'.

[Nuclear Krusader]

There're reasons other than greed for Apple's approach, though. By refusing to release their OS as openly as M$ does with Windows, and by designing their own configurations they ensure total compatibility and full functionality, and should problems arise they're easy to pinpoint and fix. Apple is known for the speed with which it patches bugs and holes. Macs have very few problems caused by incompatible hardware and drivers; pretty much everything plays nice in a Mac, and they are very stable. We have closed architecture to thank for this. This also allows them to provide customer support that is top of the line, as most of the problems are so well-documented that techs spend very little time figuring things out.

Now, that Apple takes advantage of this to hike up the prices of their hardware and extended warranty plans is another story.

[glc]

I was hoping to do a custom with a Mac OS

Not happening without violating a license agreement. MacOS is only licensed for Apple hardware.

http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/MacOSX.htm

This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time.

This License is effective until terminated. Your rights under this License will terminate automatically without notice from Apple if you fail to comply with any term(s) of this License. Upon the termination of this License, you shall cease all use of the Apple Software and destroy all copies, full or partial, of the Apple Software.

[XxKRazykidxX]

Make's sense. So what if someone want's a work station for Photoshop, Music Production, and game design? Do they have to give in and buy an Apple PC? Or just go Microsoft? Because, for 2 of the three, I know for a fact apple is better at.

[glc]

If you want to run both OSX and Windows legally, you have to do it on a Mac.

[Nuclear Krusader]

Originally Posted by XxKRazykidxX Make's sense. So what if someone want's a work station for Photoshop, Music Production, and game design? Do they have to give in and buy an Apple PC? Or just go Microsoft? Because, for 2 of the three, I know for a fact apple is better at.

Yes. That's what the Mac Pro is for. If you do this for a living, you won't complain about the price: the machine essentially pays itself and you can write it down as business expense.

[David M]

Originally Posted by Nuclear Krusader Well, we can't download music to begin with. Even recording it off the radio is 'illegal'.

When you don't pay for it is called stealing. I was never discussing stealing the Apple OS which clearly is illegal and unethical.

I will come right out and say it. Apple wants you to pay for their expensive hardware rather than you saving money by putting their OS on non-Apple hardware.

[glc]

And they have every right to do that.

I don't own or use any Apple products, by choice.

[XxKRazykidxX]

I think I might stay windows then. There computers are just to expensive for a hobby use. Plus, don't the macbooks over-heat a lot? I've heard they do. But yeah, It's not worth the price they ask, considering the only thing I like about there computers are the OS.

[Nuclear Krusader]

No, they don't. I've never had overheating problems with mine, even after it being on all day.

[Force Flow]

Older models (pre-2006, maybe?) had some overheating issues. But I haven't heard of any problems with current models overheating.

[XxKRazykidxX]

Ummm No. Were talking 09' 10'. Was hanging around Djforum.com as Usual. Watching Faderwave(they do djing through ustream via webcam). So, we're all chatting in the chat box, and someone was like, Mac? is that a pro? And once the guy said yes, I was going on about how his newer one crapped out on him. Another guy said how his charger sparked and almost caught the house on fire. Another said his overheated in the middle of a gig. And i started to think... Why would I want one of these is if i make it past a bedroom dj? They sound so un-reliable. Plus, I'd rather have a tougher laptop anyways.

[Nuclear Krusader]

Isolated events. Laptops have been sparkling and overheating for ages. And the first ones to spontaneously combust were Windows-based. The older Macbook models did have overheating problems with the GPUs. The newer models do not. And other than the Panasonic Toughbook, no plastic laptop is really tougher than one with an aluminium body.

[Deathdiesel]

To my knowledge you can buy Mac OS, but you have to buy it literally. And iirc its around 500$, and its just like windows, only for one computer. Its been forever since i found it and honestly cant seem to do so now.

[glc]

No, you can't literally buy it. You can only buy a LICENSE to use it as per the EULA.

[Nuclear Krusader]

You can't buy it without Apple hardware. The only Apple OS you can buy separately is OS X Server, hence the high cost you quoted.

[David M]

Originally Posted by Nuclear Krusader You can't buy it without Apple hardware. The only Apple OS you can buy separately is OS X Server, hence the high cost you quoted.

No?

http://www.amazon.com/Mac-OS-Snow-Le..._ob_sw_title_1

Yes I understand you are purchasing a license, but you are still getting a physical disk and a box. Does it matter who owns the cardboard, plastic and aluminum?

[glc]

but you are still getting a physical disk and a box.

No you aren't -

Buyer beware, especially for system builders: this isn't the retail install DVD. This is the "CPU Drop-in DVD," which can only be used on a system running OS X 10.5 Leopard to upgrade it to 10.6 Snow Leopard.

When I purchased this product, I read that OSX 10.5 and a DVD-ROM was needed. I really thought I was getting a DVD...like in a box, like the photograph. I got a USPS package with a jump drive in it. No packing slip, no instructions in the package, just a USB stick in an envelope. I was expecting the delivery, so I figured out what had happened and inserted the USB drive with my fingers crossed. I had some trouble, but contacted the seller and he did give me good advice on how to make it work. In the end...it worked.

The product itself is worth the money but anyone can buy Snow Leopard from the mac online store for $30 (at least for the single-pack). These prices are way too high.

[David M]

Originally Posted by glc No you aren't -

Interesting...that is pretty deceptive for an Amazon seller. It would not surprise me with an Ebay seller.

[Briab Guy]

Bigger response then I thought there would be. It took some twists and turns.
About ten yrs ago There was a emulation boot GD you could download. It did not install, on a partition or other hard drive. Once you rebooted it was gone, completely. I knew Apple was//is proprietary. I just thought that sense it was not a install that it wouldn't be that involved in licensing etc...
I should have downloaded it then. There was also a Linux boot disk that did the same thing.
My brother is thinking about moving over to a Mac and I thought it would help him decide if he wanted to or not. Might be more to re-learn then he wants to do.
Thanks for all the interest, and info.

[farmkid5]

Originally Posted by XxKRazykidxX Make's sense. So what if someone want's a work station for Photoshop, Music Production, and game design? Do they have to give in and buy an Apple PC? Or just go Microsoft? Because, for 2 of the three, I know for a fact apple is better at.

For fact Apple is better at? which are you referring too?