wifi

[wondersquare]

[wondersquare is online now]
Member (5 bit)

Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: new york city
Posts: 20
please help me
i want to know how and what i would need to conect a antenna to something and send it to another room

i want to setup and antenna and connect it to i guess a bridge without a computer and send it from there to another room with a computer what do i need
please help me and would it work
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
wondersquare
View Public Profile
Send a private message to wondersquare
Send email to wondersquare
Find all posts by wondersquare
Add wondersquare to Your Buddy List
#2 [Report Bad Post]
[Old] 07-15-2004, 10:28 PM
[EzyStvy's Avatar]
EzyStvy [EzyStvy is offline]
Member (11 bit)

Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Dallas, Tx
Posts: 1,441
i want to know how and what i would need to conect a antenna to something and send it to another room

You want the antenna to FLY or something to another room? Not sure what your saying?

i want to setup and antenna and connect it to i guess a bridge without a computer and send it from there to another room with a computer

Looks like your flying again.

Are you maybe wanting to RELAY a signal of some sort from one point to another?
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
EzyStvy
View Public Profile
Send a private message to EzyStvy
Send email to EzyStvy
Find all posts by EzyStvy
Add EzyStvy to Your Buddy List
#3 [Report Bad Post]
[Old] 07-15-2004, 10:46 PM
[mc2phat's Avatar]
mc2phat [mc2phat is offline]
the Lyrical King

Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: People's Republic (almost) of Missouri
Posts: 1,204
If you're talking about wireless networking, pick up a kit from newegg. Get a wireless router (I like Linksys) and wireless network adapter cards, one card for each computer. www.homenethelp.com along with the included instructions with the router, will help you set it up. Statica has a very nice post explaining the implementation of security with a wireless network; search for it if you wish to read it.
__________________
My advice is derived from hearsay & conjecture.
Last edited by mc2phat : 07-15-2004 at 10:48 PM.
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
mc2phat
View Public Profile
Send a private message to mc2phat
Find all posts by mc2phat
Add mc2phat to Your Buddy List
#4
[Old] 07-15-2004, 10:50 PM
wondersquare [wondersquare is online now]
Member (5 bit)

Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: new york city
Posts: 20
yes i want to relay the signal from my living room to my bedroom can i hook up a antenna to a wireless bridge without a computer and pick it up in my bedroom
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
wondersquare
View Public Profile
Send a private message to wondersquare
Send email to wondersquare
Find all posts by wondersquare
Add wondersquare to Your Buddy List
#5 [Report Bad Post]
[Old] 07-15-2004, 10:56 PM
q2418130103p [q2418130103p is offline]
Member (8 bit)

Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Rhode Island, USA
Posts: 214
[Send a message via AIM to q2418130103p]
there is such a thing as a WAP, or wireless access point. its basicly like connecting your computer to a wireless hub. that WAP can in turn be plugged into a real hub also in case you want computers to be connected through wires also.
__________________
Lian-Li PC-70USB | Enermax EG465P-VE(FC) | Samsung 955DF 19-inch Monitor (Bigger then the Lian-li) | Pioneer DVD-106s | AMD 2100+ | ABIT AT7 | Corsair 512mb pc2700 | Western Digital 80ig 8mb cache | Gainward Geforce4 TI4600 | A big dookie AX7 Heatsink
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
q2418130103p
View Public Profile
Send a private message to q2418130103p
Send email to q2418130103p
Find all posts by q2418130103p
Add q2418130103p to Your Buddy List
#6 [Report Bad Post]
[Old] 07-15-2004, 11:06 PM
CaptTuna [CaptTuna is online now]
Member (9 bit)

Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: N'Awlins, LA
Posts: 382
Do you mean you want to play, say a DVD, on your computer and broadcast the signal to a TV in another room?
__________________
--Casedge El Cheapo Deluxe w/330w Antec PS--AMD Athlon XP 2400+--Epox 8RDA+--512mb Kingston HyperX PC3500 DDR RAM--Asus V9280TD GeForce Ti4200 128mb 8x AGP--Maxtor 7200rpm 60gb HDD--Lite0n 48x24x48 CD/RW--LiteOn Dual Format DVD Burner--
_______________________________________________________
Antec ks282w/TruePower 330w PSU--Albatron KX18D Pro--AMD 2.2gHz XP3200+ Barton--120gb Seagate 7200rpm w/ 8mb cache--Sapphire ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 8X AGP 128mb--512mb Kingston HyperX PC4000--LiteOn 52x32x52 CD/RW--
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
CaptTuna
View Public Profile
Send a private message to CaptTuna
Find all posts by CaptTuna
Add CaptTuna to Your Buddy List
#7
[Old] 07-16-2004, 01:02 PM
wondersquare [wondersquare is online now]
Member (5 bit)

Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: new york city
Posts: 20
yes

i want to have my antenna outside picking up a signal from a few blocks down
connect that to a wireless router or access point thats not connected to a computer and be able to pick up the signal in my bed room


can you understand that
its like he said in the last post but with only one computer
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
wondersquare
View Public Profile
Send a private message to wondersquare
Send email to wondersquare
Find all posts by wondersquare
Add wondersquare to Your Buddy List
#8 [Report Bad Post]
[Old] 07-16-2004, 01:16 PM
[Panama Red's Avatar]
Panama Red [Panama Red is offline]
Served with Pride

Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: near the left coast of Michigan
Posts: 3,359
[Send a message via AIM to Panama Red]
Any time you 'broadcast' (or send) a signal, you have to have a 'receiver' on the other end to convert the signal. If it's a radio broadcast, you need a radio to receive the signal. If you are using a wireless access point, you can ACCESS the system through this device but the computer isn't really sending anything until the receiving device makes a request. Think that's a little different than a radio type send/receive system. You need a second computer on the receive end to make the request thru the wireless access point. Make sense? (In other words, "you can't get there from here!")
__________________
Antec P160 case with window, Antec SL400 psu, Abit NF7-S Ver 2.0, AMD Athlon XP 2500+ Mobile, Thermalright SLK800A heatsink, Thermaltake 80mm Smart Fan 2, 2 x 256 A-data Vitesta PC4000/DDR500, Sapphire Radeon 9600XT, 120mm Panaflo M1A exhaust and 120mm Antec intake, Enermax fan controller, Thermaltake A1899 NB & SB cooler,

Best oc: 2631 (219 x 12), 2.5-3-3-8
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
Panama Red
View Public Profile
Send a private message to Panama Red
Find all posts by Panama Red
Add Panama Red to Your Buddy List
#9
[Old] 07-16-2004, 01:29 PM
wondersquare [wondersquare is online now]
Member (5 bit)

Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: new york city
Posts: 20
i basicaly want to setup a router/hub/bridge/access point and hook it up to an antenna for wifi
can i do that with out a computer or not
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
wondersquare
View Public Profile
Send a private message to wondersquare
Send email to wondersquare
Find all posts by wondersquare
Add wondersquare to Your Buddy List
#10 [Report Bad Post]
[Old] 07-16-2004, 01:36 PM
[Redfallon's Avatar]
Redfallon [Redfallon is offline]
Resident Intel fanboy

Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Sinsinnati
Posts: 1,209
How many computers do you have? Are you trying to hook up broadband internet only don't have a connection point near your computer? Or is this for Xbox or PS2? We are having a hard time figuring out what you want to do. Without two computers that need to "share" either files or an internet connection, or a console system, what is the point? PLEASE tell us what you're wanting to do. You said you want the antenna outside, are you trying to set up a network with, say, a friends computer "down the street" or something???

Ok, from what I've re-read it looks like you're looking to pick up a wifi signal from someone else's router? If that's the case, you can do it with a wireless network card, however, the range will be at best 1000 ft with an outdoor antenna. I imagine you can buy one but it won't be cheap. If that's the case, look here for some outdoor wifi antennas. Look at a directional antenna if you're going a pretty good distance, especially if there's a decent line of sight to the source. Yagi or parabollic would be a good fit for max signal transmission. Also, you might need an external antenna at both the transmit and receive stations....

What are you trying to connect to? Got a friend down the street or coffee shop with free net access or something?? If you're just looking to set up an external antenna and "see" what wireless networks are around, you may find some unsecured, may not, may not have any access points around at all. Either way that wouldn't be advisable.
__________________
P4 2.8E @3.5GHz 1.35V | Abit IC7-MAX3 | 1Gb Geil PC4000 2.5-4-4-7 @2.8V | 2 WD Raptor 36GB in RAID 0 | Maxtor 60GB 7200 | Lite-On 52xCDRW/16xDVD | ThermalTake 480W Butterfly PSU | Xoxide X-Turbine w/dual uv | Sapphire 9800 Pro 128 445.5mhz core / 756mhz ram w/ Thermaltake Giant III | Samsung 19 CRT | XP Home | Logitech MX700 duo | 3DMark2001: 21,227 | 3DMark03: 6,777 | Aquamark: 51,498 | stay tuned for more...

"Be not that far from me, for trouble is near; haste Thee to help me."
"Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight."
Last edited by Redfallon : 07-16-2004 at 01:58 PM.
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
Redfallon
View Public Profile
Send a private message to Redfallon
Find all posts by Redfallon
Add Redfallon to Your Buddy List
#11
[Old] 07-16-2004, 04:12 PM
wondersquare [wondersquare is online now]
Member (5 bit)

Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: new york city
Posts: 20
i am picking up a signal from far away
i want to know if i can pickit up by using a router or something that doesnt connect to a computer

and then with that same router send it to my room that has a computer
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
wondersquare
View Public Profile
Send a private message to wondersquare
Send email to wondersquare
Find all posts by wondersquare
Add wondersquare to Your Buddy List
#12 [Report Bad Post]
[Old] 07-16-2004, 04:20 PM
[Redfallon's Avatar]
Redfallon [Redfallon is offline]
Resident Intel fanboy

Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Sinsinnati
Posts: 1,209
yes, you can also pick it up with a network card with an external antenna. This would save having to buy a router and a wireless NIC. how far is far? the broadcasting source will need to be amplified, more so than your receiving antenna
__________________
P4 2.8E @3.5GHz 1.35V | Abit IC7-MAX3 | 1Gb Geil PC4000 2.5-4-4-7 @2.8V | 2 WD Raptor 36GB in RAID 0 | Maxtor 60GB 7200 | Lite-On 52xCDRW/16xDVD | ThermalTake 480W Butterfly PSU | Xoxide X-Turbine w/dual uv | Sapphire 9800 Pro 128 445.5mhz core / 756mhz ram w/ Thermaltake Giant III | Samsung 19 CRT | XP Home | Logitech MX700 duo | 3DMark2001: 21,227 | 3DMark03: 6,777 | Aquamark: 51,498 | stay tuned for more...

"Be not that far from me, for trouble is near; haste Thee to help me."
"Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight."
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
Redfallon
View Public Profile
Send a private message to Redfallon
Find all posts by Redfallon
Add Redfallon to Your Buddy List
#13
[Old] 07-16-2004, 04:35 PM
wondersquare [wondersquare is online now]
Member (5 bit)

Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: new york city
Posts: 20
a couple of blocks
so a router hooked up to nothing would recieve and send a signal?

if yes then off i go to buy one
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
wondersquare
View Public Profile
Send a private message to wondersquare
Send email to wondersquare
Find all posts by wondersquare
Add wondersquare to Your Buddy List
#14
[Old] 07-18-2004, 09:05 PM
wondersquare [wondersquare is online now]
Member (5 bit)

Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: new york city
Posts: 20
above this post
__________________
beware for i am the future
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
wondersquare
View Public Profile
Send a private message to wondersquare
Send email to wondersquare
Find all posts by wondersquare
Add wondersquare to Your Buddy List
#15 [Report Bad Post]
[Old] 07-18-2004, 10:18 PM
neouser99 [neouser99 is offline]
Member (6 bit)

Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 59
no, a router in itself won't pick up a signal from another router, you need a repeater to do that

what you should do is somehow get an external antenna, then get a pci card with a removable antenna...because you are going to need a more powerful antenna then the one that comes with it...

after that, you have to somehow setup a cantenna, (LOS - line of sight) from the house you want the internet to come from to somewhere on your house, a window, on a pole, something like that...which in turn will be plugged into your computer. I think this is what you are asking.

There is no router, hub, access point that can extend the range of a wireless network wirelessly, as those all have to be wired to the original network. there is the repeater, which can strengthen a signal wirelessly, but they are costly.

Link that is what you want, one on both end...on will hook up to the router down the road, the other to your computers pci card...make sure they both have proper adapters. Then all you have to do is configure them so they can have direct LOS.

hope that helps, might be a tad confusing

-neo
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
neouser99
View Public Profile
Send a private message to neouser99
Send email to neouser99
Find all posts by neouser99
Add neouser99 to Your Buddy List
#16
[Old] Yesterday, 12:11 PM
wondersquare [wondersquare is online now]
Member (5 bit)

Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: new york city
Posts: 20
so what your saying is i would have to do this


source

antenna
\
\
router(no computer)----repeater

router
\
computer
__________________
beware for i am the future
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
wondersquare
View Public Profile
Send a private message to wondersquare
Send email to wondersquare
Find all posts by wondersquare
Add wondersquare to Your Buddy List
#17 [Report Bad Post]
[Old] Yesterday, 12:25 PM
[glc's Avatar]
glc [glc is offline]
Moderator

Join Date: May 2000
Location: Illinois
Posts: 31,745
The legality of what you are trying to do is very questionable.

What you need is VERY simple. You need a PCI wireless network card that has an antenna jack, and a high gain directional antenna pointed at the access point down the street plugged into the antenna jack. No router, repeater, etc. etc. needed.
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
glc
View Public Profile
Send a private message to glc
Find all posts by glc
Add glc to Your Buddy List
#18 [Report Bad Post]
[Old] Yesterday, 01:14 PM
neouser99 [neouser99 is offline]
Member (6 bit)

Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 59
I don't believe there are any legal problems with point-to-point wireless, as long as he isn't stealing the bandwith from the router he is connecting to. if the owner of the router is aware of you taking the bandwith for you own use, you are fine...otherwise, it might fall into the illegal category...

as for you question, there will be NO other routers/hubs/repeaters/access points involved...none...just high-gain antennas as glc and I mentioned. it would be wise to have directional antennas on both ends, the sending and recieving...just to make sure there are no hiccups. this does mean that the owner of the router/access point has given you permission...

-neo
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
neouser99
View Public Profile
Send a private message to neouser99
Send email to neouser99
Find all posts by neouser99
Add neouser99 to Your Buddy List
#19
[Old] Yesterday, 08:14 PM
wondersquare [wondersquare is online now]
Member (5 bit)

Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: new york city
Posts: 20
to make this more clear

\ means wire 0 means air

source(down the road{a internet company})
0
0
(my house)
antenna
\
\
router(no computer because i dont want to move it)----repeater
0
0
router
\
computer(no pci card because the walls cut down on the signal)
__________________
beware for i am the future
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
wondersquare
View Public Profile
Send a private message to wondersquare
Send email to wondersquare
Find all posts by wondersquare
Add wondersquare to Your Buddy List
#20 [Report Bad Post]
[Old] Yesterday, 09:10 PM
[Byte 2.0's Avatar]
Byte 2.0 [Byte 2.0 is offline]
Computing Moderator

Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Secret City (Oak Ridge, TN)
Posts: 3,273
[Send a message via ICQ to Byte 2.0] [Send a message via AIM to Byte 2.0]
wondersquare , I believe it would be best in this case to ask the Internet company down the road what equipment they recommend. every idea presented on this board seems to be shot down.

Simple as it is, Source broadcasting wireless. You need an receiver. which in this case a wireless NIC or wireless card for a desktop. If you want to share the signal even more then you may need to setup Internet connection sharing.
the only other option I can think of would be maybe a repeater but that isn't going to router to more then one PC.
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
Byte 2.0
View Public Profile
Send a private message to Byte 2.0
Find all posts by Byte 2.0
Add Byte 2.0 to Your Buddy List
#21
[Old] Yesterday, 09:33 PM
wondersquare [wondersquare is online now]
Member (5 bit)

Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: new york city
Posts: 20
my reciever is the antenna that conects to the router
that samn router if proven wrong would then send it to my other room where i would have another router instead of a pci card

a pci card wouldn't pick up good against a wall
__________________
beware for i am the future
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
wondersquare
View Public Profile
Send a private message to wondersquare
Send email to wondersquare
Find all posts by wondersquare
Add wondersquare to Your Buddy List
#22
[Old] Yesterday, 09:35 PM
wondersquare [wondersquare is online now]
Member (5 bit)

Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: new york city
Posts: 20
would my idea work or not?
__________________
beware for i am the future
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
wondersquare
View Public Profile
Send a private message to wondersquare
Send email to wondersquare
Find all posts by wondersquare
Add wondersquare to Your Buddy List
#23 [Report Bad Post]
[Old] Yesterday, 11:42 PM
neouser99 [neouser99 is offline]
Member (6 bit)

Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 59
NO!!!

You can't use a router to recieve a signal...are you reading what we are trying to say...

I am not trying to be harsh, but we have said it multiple times now.

Walls don't matter, and all you do is get a really long coax cable (most likely) to run from the antenna to your computer which as the PCI card in it. Most wireless PCI cards come with removeable antennas, so you can plug an external one in, which in this case might have a really long cord to accomodate putting the antenna on your house or in a window or something.

There is NO router at your house, there can't be one....at this time, without spending a lot of money...as of right now I know of no cheap wireless WAPs.

-neo
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
neouser99
View Public Profile
Send a private message to neouser99
Send email to neouser99
Find all posts by neouser99
Add neouser99 to Your Buddy List
#24 [Report Bad Post]
[Old] Today, 09:25 AM
[glc's Avatar]
glc [glc is offline]
Moderator

Join Date: May 2000
Location: Illinois
Posts: 31,745
If this is an Internet company you are tapping off of, you have to ask them what you need for a SINGLE computer. The wireless ISP's here provide the required equipment as part of the package - usually an antenna and a receiver that has an Ethernet jack. What you do after the Ethernet jack is your business. A single computer should be able to plug directly into the Ethernet jack - any other configuration will require additional equipment.
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
glc
View Public Profile
Send a private message to glc
Find all posts by glc
Add glc to Your Buddy List
#25
[Old] Today, 02:27 PM
wondersquare [wondersquare is online now]
Member (5 bit)

Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: new york city
Posts: 20
thats kind of stupid because routers have two wireless antennas already and i have seen people plug in antennas to them

i think it will work and
why cant they recieve?

i have read everywhere that walls cut down on the signal

wifi antennas dont use coaxl cable

if i got a cable it would be atleast 150 to 200 feet long i bet from one end to the other of my house



so i should just do this


source
0
0
antenna
/
/
/
/
/
/
/
/
/
/
/
/
/
router/stupid pci card
computer


i mean if a card for a laptop can recieve by attatching an antenna why cant a router?
__________________
beware for i am the future
[Edit/Delete Message] [Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
wondersquare
View Public Profile
Send a private message to wondersquare
Send email to wondersquare
Find all posts by wondersquare
Add wondersquare to Your Buddy List
#26 [Report Bad Post]
[Unread] Today, 02:36 PM
neouser99 [neouser99 is offline]
Member (6 bit)

Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 59
because, the cards are designed to recieve, the routers are not...they are two different pieces of hardware.

yes, what you have up there would be the best way of doing it, especially if there is only one computer in the house requiring internet access...it is also the cheapest by far

btw, some antennas do use coax cable...just depends on what you get, most don't anymore

-neo
[Reply With Quote] [Quick reply to this message]
neouser99
View Public Profile
Send a private message to neouser99
Send email to neouser99
Find all posts by neouser99
Add neouser99 to Your Buddy List
#27
[Unread] Today, 02:47 PM
wondersquare [wondersquare is online now]
Member (5 bit)

Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: new york city
Posts: 20
well if a long cable is the only way
then do you think you could give me a link to find some cheap cable
__________________
beware for i am the future

[mbossman2]

ummm what are you trying to say or ask?

[hobey19]

that just looks like one big thread copied from somewhere else and pasted here. it would be a lot easier for us if you just asked what you needed.

craig

[fudtone]

Wow can you start with your system spec.s' and the issue please?