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gmanz73 · 09-30-2005, 02:29 PM

hi! its me again

i have broadband from aol on 1 pc that i use and i want to get broadband on a new pc that i built. So what do i do? Do i get a router? i dont want to get split speeds on my router and both PCs will be on the internet at the same time. i asked an AOL rep. they said that i will have a split IP address....what does that mean?
Thanks! any links will be appreciated.

I dont want to go to cheap on a router

doctorgonzo · 09-30-2005, 02:34 PM

The easiest thing to do is to get a router. No matter what you do, you are going to be sharing the bandwidth if both computers will be on at the same time. The AOL tech was probably talking about purchasing another IP address, which would allow you to use a hub instead of a router, but it's not worth it.

Most consumer-level routers you can buy at computer stores will work just fine. Netgear, Linksys, DLink...in general, they all work. I have had a Netgear 4-port router for a couple years with few problems.

pc master · 09-30-2005, 02:41 PM

Justin case of any problems. Use only the routers that aol support. Aol have different network characteristics to other isp's. Lets assume that you will use wireless. Get the Netgear DG834G. nearly everyone who has the router says it is brilliant.

Sadly you will have split speeds if both pc's are on at the same time no matter what router you have. All the router does is share the internet connection between the computers.

gmanz73 · 09-30-2005, 03:47 PM

and do i pay monthly for the router or only one time at the store?

doctorgonzo · 09-30-2005, 03:49 PM

You pay once for the router, that's it. Another IP address would be a monthly charge, which is why AOL wants you to go that route.

gmanz73 · 09-30-2005, 04:22 PM

it says part of the system requirements that i need a ADSL service....what is that? i have AolBroadband, but i dont have DSL

pc master · 10-01-2005, 02:35 AM

Adsl is a type of connection that isp's use. Aol use it as well. As long as you have aol broadband then you have dsl or adsl.
Have you looked at the Aol supported routers. As a aol keywork type in networking. Then it should come up with a guide and stuff.

***glc*** · 10-01-2005, 05:23 AM

Not necessarily - AOL also has cable broadband.

The only compatibility issue with routers and AOL DSL is the router must be able to be set to 1400 MTU. You will also need to create a dedicated screen name to put in the router login.

gmanz73 · 10-01-2005, 07:28 PM

GLC- sry i didnt understand what u mean...i already have aol broadband on 1 of my PCs and just want it on both PC that are in different rooms.
***UPDATE****
I did my research on aol and have 2 options with AOL. either getting:

Linksys Etherfast router Model:BEFSR41
(2)SMC Networks: Netgear Powerline XE102 Ethernet adapters Total: $144

or second option

Netgear Cable Wireless rounter Model: WGR614
Netgear wireless adapter Model: WG311

Total:$90

both of these work with AOL

***glc*** · 10-02-2005, 03:48 AM

Let's back up a bit. What KIND of broadband do you have - cable or DSL? Cable comes in through the TV cable, DSL comes in through the phone line. What brand and model is your broadband modem? What country are you in?

Here is how it's done in the USA with DSL. You connect the Ethernet output of your modem to the input of a router. You connect the computers to the router - either wired or wireless. You set up the router for PPPoE, and you need a DEDICATED screen name and password to store in the router login. Dedicated means a screen name that you will NEVER use for anything else. You also have to find the MTU setting in the router and set it to 1400. When you do this, you CAN use the AOL software, you have to choose the Broadband ISP option in the location setting. You do not HAVE to use the AOL software, you can use IE or any other browser to surf the Internet.

gmanz73 · 10-02-2005, 10:27 AM

ok GLC yes i do have broadband that i get through a TV cable.....and the brand is a toshiba...the model i cant tell u now because im at work....im in NYC. so can u tell me which one i should buy? i really dont want to delay this issue any longer....

pc master · 10-02-2005, 10:45 AM

basicly get the netgear router. Once you have that you will need to plug your ethernet cable modem into the router. But read the manual first.
Get the netgear router.

gmanz73 · 10-02-2005, 01:23 PM

im confuzed, isnt the router supposed to be wireless? y do i have to plug the ethernet cable into my PC? and is the adapter ok? can i just get any netgear adapter? or it has to be a specific model?

thx

pc master · 10-02-2005, 02:31 PM

sorry i didnt ment to confuse you. The wireless part of a router is from any laptops/desktops to the router. heres what i meant. Currently your cable modem is connected to your pc via a ethernet lead. They look like the leads used on dial-up modems only a bigger connector on the end. since your connection will be though a router, you need to have the modem plugged into the router rather than the pc.
Order the router. The manula and the setup will explain it all.

blue60007 · 10-02-2005, 02:39 PM

You'd leave the modem connected to the wall like it is now, and unplug the cable that is in between the modem and the computer from the computer and plug it into the router's Internet "input" (the manual should describe where it's at). Then if the 2 computers are in close proximity you would then run Ethernet cables from the "output" (again, refer to the manual) to one PC, and another cable from another "output" to the other computer. Your new computer should have onboard LAN, and you should find a place for the ethernet cable on back. If the other computer isn't too old it should have onboard LAN as well. Here's some cheap cat5 Ethernet cable, a couple bucks for 14ft.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16812117905

gmanz73 · 10-02-2005, 02:51 PM

blue how can u say my Pc is old if u helped me build it?...lol....u probably dont remeber becuz u answer to many posts...and hows the adapter i picked out?

blue60007 · 10-02-2005, 02:58 PM

Heh, your new one will be OK, but I mean the other PC.

gmanz73 · 10-02-2005, 07:08 PM

http://www.onsale.com/onsale/shop/de...pno~140771.asp

hows this ? it comes with an adapter do i still need to buy another 1?

***glc*** · 10-04-2005, 08:12 AM

That router does not come with a network adapter. You will need a wireless adapter for any PC's you want to connect wireless, it has Ethernet jacks for connecting computers that have Ethernet adapters and are close enough to run cables to.

Why don't you just get rid of AOL and get broadband directly from the cable company - cut out the middleman?

gmanz73 · 10-04-2005, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glc

That router does not come with a network adapter. You will need a wireless adapter for any PC's you want to connect wireless, it has Ethernet jacks for connecting computers that have Ethernet adapters and are close enough to run cables to.

Why don't you just get rid of AOL and get broadband directly from the cable company - cut out the middleman?

lol....thats bcuz i grew up with AOL, i never used a different provider. so ur saying that i should get...?roadrunner?

swp · 10-04-2005, 10:50 AM

I concur withe glc on this one. Rid yourself of AOL. This can only make things easier.

gmanz73 · 10-04-2005, 12:44 PM

why do u say that? what do u guys use?

pc master · 10-04-2005, 01:00 PM

Well i use wanadoo and for my router i use thier livebox. They are only in EU though. I havent heard of any us isp's besides aol.

***glc*** · 10-05-2005, 11:27 AM

Roadrunner is probably your local cable provider anyway - and I'd just get service direct from them unless you will feel lost without AOL's handholding and don't want to learn how things really are. Gotta cut the apron strings eventually.

AOL is the Internet on training wheels. I started with AOL over 10 years ago - I still have a $4.95 minimum use dialup account for emergencies, and an OLD version of the software that doesn't totally take over my machines.

gmanz73 · 10-07-2005, 09:32 PM

so ur recomending me to just get roadrunner and cancel AOL?

i purchased the items already, suposed to recieve them next week..

blue60007 · 10-07-2005, 10:32 PM

I would certainly drop AOL and go with a normal provider if I could. Check with your cable provider and see what they offer.

Either way, those parts should work.

gmanz73 · 10-12-2005, 01:55 PM

i got the adapter today, does it go on my PC or the PC that already has broadband?

***glc*** · 10-12-2005, 02:08 PM

The adapter (wireless I assume?) goes on the computer that you aren't going to be running a cable to. You did get a router too, right?

The computer that you will be connecting to the router with a cable needs a standard wired Ethernet adapter.

Marke522 · 10-12-2005, 02:16 PM

I agree, cut AOL. I also use RoadRunner. Much faster, no software to install, no one holding your hand. No programs watching your activity.

I currently have 3 computers connected at home with one IP address using a Linksys WRT54G wireless router. 2 computers are connected with wires, the 3rd is way way way in the back of the house in my daughters bedroom. That one is using wireless usb adapter.

I think your making things harder than they should be. Wirelss routers have 4 ports on the back for ethernet wires, but they also have antennas in case you want to use wireless abitlity. You don't have to use it if you don't want to. Some routers will only have anntenas, those are not actually routers, they are access points. Don't get one of those. If you choose to use wireless, make sure you set it up encripted so no one next door uses your wireless connection. That will seriously slow you down if other people are using your intenet. Not to mention it's illeagal.

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Does he have to get a router if he only has 2 computers? Couldn't he get another NIC and set up the first pc as a Residential Gateway? That could save him a bit of money.

gmanz73 · 10-12-2005, 03:43 PM

do i need a router? ....um i already purchased it...lol, now ur telling me.!

where does the router go? yes the adapter is wireless..

09-30-2005, 02:29 PM	#1
gmanz73 Member (9 bit) Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 430	want to get broadband on 2 PCs hi! its me again i have broadband from aol on 1 pc that i use and i want to get broadband on a new pc that i built. So what do i do? Do i get a router? i dont want to get split speeds on my router and both PCs will be on the internet at the same time. i asked an AOL rep. they said that i will have a split IP address....what does that mean? Thanks! any links will be appreciated. I dont want to go to cheap on a router

10-02-2005, 02:39 PM	#15
blue60007 Wx geek Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 6,638	You'd leave the modem connected to the wall like it is now, and unplug the cable that is in between the modem and the computer from the computer and plug it into the router's Internet "input" (the manual should describe where it's at). Then if the 2 computers are in close proximity you would then run Ethernet cables from the "output" (again, refer to the manual) to one PC, and another cable from another "output" to the other computer. Your new computer should have onboard LAN, and you should find a place for the ethernet cable on back. If the other computer isn't too old it should have onboard LAN as well. Here's some cheap cat5 Ethernet cable, a couple bucks for 14ft. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16812117905 __________________ "It is the way of man to make monsters and it is the nature of monsters to destroy their makers."

10-12-2005, 02:08 PM	#28
*glc* Forum Administrator Staff Premium Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 41,163	The adapter (wireless I assume?) goes on the computer that you aren't going to be running a cable to. You did get a router too, right? The computer that you will be connecting to the router with a cable needs a standard wired Ethernet adapter. Last edited by glc; 10-12-2005 at 02:10 PM.

10-12-2005, 02:16 PM	#29
Marke522 Member (10 bit) Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Kansas USA Posts: 879	I agree, cut AOL. I also use RoadRunner. Much faster, no software to install, no one holding your hand. No programs watching your activity. I currently have 3 computers connected at home with one IP address using a Linksys WRT54G wireless router. 2 computers are connected with wires, the 3rd is way way way in the back of the house in my daughters bedroom. That one is using wireless usb adapter. I think your making things harder than they should be. Wirelss routers have 4 ports on the back for ethernet wires, but they also have antennas in case you want to use wireless abitlity. You don't have to use it if you don't want to. Some routers will only have anntenas, those are not actually routers, they are access points. Don't get one of those. If you choose to use wireless, make sure you set it up encripted so no one next door uses your wireless connection. That will seriously slow you down if other people are using your intenet. Not to mention it's illeagal. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Does he have to get a router if he only has 2 computers? Couldn't he get another NIC and set up the first pc as a Residential Gateway? That could save him a bit of money. __________________ ASUS P5PE-VM Mainboard; Intel Core2Duo E6400@2.13 GHz; 2 x 1 GB GSkill DDR 3200 ASUS CD; SONY CD-RW; SONY DVD-ROM; SONY DVD-RW 250 GB SATA WD Caviar; 2 x 320 GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 3850 AGP; Enermax Noisetaker 485 watt; Creative SB Live!; 5.1 Logitech X-530's; Windows XP Home SP 3 My Blog. Feel free to comment. Last edited by Marke522; 10-12-2005 at 02:24 PM.

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09-30-2005, 02:34 PM	#2
doctorgonzo Professional gadfly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 6,364	The easiest thing to do is to get a router. No matter what you do, you are going to be sharing the bandwidth if both computers will be on at the same time. The AOL tech was probably talking about purchasing another IP address, which would allow you to use a hub instead of a router, but it's not worth it. Most consumer-level routers you can buy at computer stores will work just fine. Netgear, Linksys, DLink...in general, they all work. I have had a Netgear 4-port router for a couple years with few problems.

09-30-2005, 02:41 PM	#3
pc master Member (9 bit) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: U.K Posts: 357	Justin case of any problems. Use only the routers that aol support. Aol have different network characteristics to other isp's. Lets assume that you will use wireless. Get the Netgear DG834G. nearly everyone who has the router says it is brilliant. Sadly you will have split speeds if both pc's are on at the same time no matter what router you have. All the router does is share the internet connection between the computers.

09-30-2005, 03:47 PM	#4
gmanz73 Member (9 bit) Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 430	and do i pay monthly for the router or only one time at the store?

09-30-2005, 03:49 PM	#5
doctorgonzo Professional gadfly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 6,364	You pay once for the router, that's it. Another IP address would be a monthly charge, which is why AOL wants you to go that route.

09-30-2005, 04:22 PM	#6
gmanz73 Member (9 bit) Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 430	it says part of the system requirements that i need a ADSL service....what is that? i have AolBroadband, but i dont have DSL

10-01-2005, 02:35 AM	#7
pc master Member (9 bit) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: U.K Posts: 357	Adsl is a type of connection that isp's use. Aol use it as well. As long as you have aol broadband then you have dsl or adsl. Have you looked at the Aol supported routers. As a aol keywork type in networking. Then it should come up with a guide and stuff.

10-01-2005, 05:23 AM	#8
*glc* Forum Administrator Staff Premium Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 41,163	Not necessarily - AOL also has cable broadband. The only compatibility issue with routers and AOL DSL is the router must be able to be set to 1400 MTU. You will also need to create a dedicated screen name to put in the router login.

10-01-2005, 07:28 PM	#9
gmanz73 Member (9 bit) Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 430	GLC- sry i didnt understand what u mean...i already have aol broadband on 1 of my PCs and just want it on both PC that are in different rooms. *UPDATE** I did my research on aol and have 2 options with AOL. either getting: Linksys Etherfast router Model:BEFSR41 (2)SMC Networks: Netgear Powerline XE102 Ethernet adapters Total: $144 or second option Netgear Cable Wireless rounter Model: WGR614 Netgear wireless adapter Model: WG311 Total:$90 both of these work with AOL

10-02-2005, 03:48 AM	#10
*glc* Forum Administrator Staff Premium Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 41,163	Let's back up a bit. What KIND of broadband do you have - cable or DSL? Cable comes in through the TV cable, DSL comes in through the phone line. What brand and model is your broadband modem? What country are you in? Here is how it's done in the USA with DSL. You connect the Ethernet output of your modem to the input of a router. You connect the computers to the router - either wired or wireless. You set up the router for PPPoE, and you need a DEDICATED screen name and password to store in the router login. Dedicated means a screen name that you will NEVER use for anything else. You also have to find the MTU setting in the router and set it to 1400. When you do this, you CAN use the AOL software, you have to choose the Broadband ISP option in the location setting. You do not HAVE to use the AOL software, you can use IE or any other browser to surf the Internet.

10-02-2005, 10:27 AM	#11
gmanz73 Member (9 bit) Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 430	ok GLC yes i do have broadband that i get through a TV cable.....and the brand is a toshiba...the model i cant tell u now because im at work....im in NYC. so can u tell me which one i should buy? i really dont want to delay this issue any longer....

10-02-2005, 10:45 AM	#12
pc master Member (9 bit) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: U.K Posts: 357	basicly get the netgear router. Once you have that you will need to plug your ethernet cable modem into the router. But read the manual first. Get the netgear router.

10-02-2005, 01:23 PM	#13
gmanz73 Member (9 bit) Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 430	im confuzed, isnt the router supposed to be wireless? y do i have to plug the ethernet cable into my PC? and is the adapter ok? can i just get any netgear adapter? or it has to be a specific model? thx

10-02-2005, 02:31 PM	#14
pc master Member (9 bit) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: U.K Posts: 357	sorry i didnt ment to confuse you. The wireless part of a router is from any laptops/desktops to the router. heres what i meant. Currently your cable modem is connected to your pc via a ethernet lead. They look like the leads used on dial-up modems only a bigger connector on the end. since your connection will be though a router, you need to have the modem plugged into the router rather than the pc. Order the router. The manula and the setup will explain it all.

10-02-2005, 02:51 PM	#16
gmanz73 Member (9 bit) Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 430	blue how can u say my Pc is old if u helped me build it?...lol....u probably dont remeber becuz u answer to many posts...and hows the adapter i picked out?

10-02-2005, 02:58 PM	#17
blue60007 Wx geek Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 6,638	Heh, your new one will be OK, but I mean the other PC.

10-02-2005, 07:08 PM	#18
gmanz73 Member (9 bit) Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 430	http://www.onsale.com/onsale/shop/de...pno~140771.asp hows this ? it comes with an adapter do i still need to buy another 1?

10-04-2005, 08:12 AM	#19
*glc* Forum Administrator Staff Premium Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 41,163	That router does not come with a network adapter. You will need a wireless adapter for any PC's you want to connect wireless, it has Ethernet jacks for connecting computers that have Ethernet adapters and are close enough to run cables to. Why don't you just get rid of AOL and get broadband directly from the cable company - cut out the middleman?

10-04-2005, 10:50 AM	#21
swp Member (8 bit) Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Miami Posts: 147	I concur withe glc on this one. Rid yourself of AOL. This can only make things easier.

10-04-2005, 12:44 PM	#22
gmanz73 Member (9 bit) Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 430	why do u say that? what do u guys use?

10-04-2005, 01:00 PM	#23
pc master Member (9 bit) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: U.K Posts: 357	Well i use wanadoo and for my router i use thier livebox. They are only in EU though. I havent heard of any us isp's besides aol.

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10-05-2005, 11:27 AM	#24
*glc* Forum Administrator Staff Premium Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 41,163	Roadrunner is probably your local cable provider anyway - and I'd just get service direct from them unless you will feel lost without AOL's handholding and don't want to learn how things really are. Gotta cut the apron strings eventually. AOL is the Internet on training wheels. I started with AOL over 10 years ago - I still have a $4.95 minimum use dialup account for emergencies, and an OLD version of the software that doesn't totally take over my machines.

10-07-2005, 09:32 PM	#25
gmanz73 Member (9 bit) Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 430	so ur recomending me to just get roadrunner and cancel AOL? i purchased the items already, suposed to recieve them next week..

10-07-2005, 10:32 PM	#26
blue60007 Wx geek Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 6,638	I would certainly drop AOL and go with a normal provider if I could. Check with your cable provider and see what they offer. Either way, those parts should work.

10-12-2005, 01:55 PM	#27
gmanz73 Member (9 bit) Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 430	i got the adapter today, does it go on my PC or the PC that already has broadband?

10-12-2005, 03:43 PM	#30
gmanz73 Member (9 bit) Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 430	do i need a router? ....um i already purchased it...lol, now ur telling me.! where does the router go? yes the adapter is wireless..