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10-11-2001, 03:44 AM
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Andy Watkins 2 PC network
Hi all,
I took Xayd's advice, got the 2 PC's and all the kit. Mostly a nightmare!! Spent the last 2 weeks buggering about with it all and I still don't think it all works properly. Got the cards installed and the network set up properly in Windows very quickly. Couldn't play games though. Fixed this eventually by working out I didn't need Netbui at all and I really needed TCPIT and an oldy called IPX or something. Then the games played great...... However my brand new 1.4ghz PC takes 3 minutes to boot up now instead of 1 1/2 minutes. Solved this when I am not using the networks by un binding the TCPIP and the IPX protocols, boots up dead quick again then. Funny with the protocols bound to the card, it just doesn't do anything for over a minute, looks like it is waiting for something. PLUS The other PC MUST be switched on or the new PC will not load at all....... The really strange thing is that the old PC is fine, it loads as quickly as ever and doesn't care if the new PC is on or not....... I've used it like this for a few days but increasingly found that something is wrong. The new PC keeps hanging. Only way to solve this is to take the network card physically out. Network card in - hangs about once or twice an hour, network card out doesn't hang. I've switched the network cards between the two PC's and no difference so it doesn't look as though it is a duff network card. My next best guess is that something is conflicint on the new PC, in the good old days I would have said it was in interrupt or DMA setting or something like that, don't know if you still have them but if you do they all appear to be hidden in windows now?? Any bright ideas..... Andy 
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10-17-2001, 03:01 PM
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It's your TCP/IP settings - the slow machine is probably set to use DHCP and it's not finding a DHCP server. If you are not using some kind of internet connection sharing, use static IP addressing or unbind the TCP/IP protocol. You don't need TCP/IP for simple filesharing, IPX or Netbeui will do this just fine.
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10-18-2001, 02:47 AM
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GLC,
I am going to go home and try and work out what you have said. I don't know what DHCP is but will look around all the options to see, I'll try and set me own IP address. As this is a network of only 2 PC's purely for playing games on etc, and will never connect to the internet, is it OK for me to just assign one of the PC's with an IP address of "1" and the other "2"? This is presumably the static IP addressing....... I need the TCP/IP unfortunately because most games seem to need it, though the only one I am really playing at the moment is my old total anhialation game and that uses the IPX connection, so I'll leave IPX on and turn TCP/IP off for a couple of days and see what happens. Thanks for the info Andy It's your TCP/IP settings - the slow machine is probably set to use DHCP and it's not finding a DHCP server. If you are not using some kind of internet connection sharing, use static IP addressing or unbind the TCP/IP protocol. You don't need TCP/IP for simple filesharing, IPX or Netbeui will do this just fine. |
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10-18-2001, 09:14 AM
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andy
I would set 1 of your computers with an IP address of 192.168.1.1 and the other computers IP to 192.168.1.2 As stated previously, It sounds as if the pc's are trying to obtain IP addresses automatically from a dhcp server, an on your network there is none. So, give that a try with the IP addresses, and let us know what happens. surf |
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10-18-2001, 10:37 AM
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Surf,
I checked with a networky guy at work, who said what you were both saying seemed reasonable, he thought it reasonable that my system could have defaulted to this DHCP thing for internet connection. Theoretically it sounds as though I need to KEEP this DHCP thing on my TCP/IP bound to my modem card, or connecting to my ISP could be difficult (is this true?). Whilst turning the DHCP thingy off for the TCP/IP bound to my Ethernet card. NOW what we didn't know was whether WIndows 98 2nd edition could handle different DHCP settings for different instances of TCP/IP. I am going to go home and see if I can work it out. All suggestions gratefully accepted, please remember that although I am reasonably knowledgable about computers generally, I knew nothing about networks a month ago, and still have a lot to learn! Andy andy I would set 1 of your computers with an IP address of 192.168.1.1 and the other computers IP to 192.168.1.2 As stated previously, It sounds as if the pc's are trying to obtain IP addresses automatically from a dhcp server, an on your network there is none. So, give that a try with the IP addresses, and let us know what happens. surf
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10-18-2001, 04:45 PM
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Unless I'm mistaken, you should be able to leave an IP address specified, and when you connect to your ISP it'll just append a new route to the stack and let you go from there, regardless of the IP that's specified in network properties.
Try it and see  , I know it works that way just fine in WinNT and Win2000.
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10-19-2001, 02:42 AM
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Partial success.....
Surf, Xayd and all others,
Had a go, some good news, some bad. Good news is I tried the static IP addresses and the new fast PC that was taking a long time to boot up now boots up very fast, SUCCESS! Also my modem and ISP still works fine SUCCESS Only problem remaining now is that when the slow PC is switched off, the new PC will just hang when booted up, it is deffinitely looking for something on the slow PC. As soon as I turn on the slow PC it starts going, apparently before the slow PC could have had a chance to boot up it's operating system, so I don't know if it's doing something very low level and technical. This problem doesn't occur the other way around, you can turn on the slow PC without the fast one and it is quite happy...... Funny isn't it. So most of the time I don't want the old PC on, so I just unbind TCP/IP and IPX and it runs fine.... andy I would set 1 of your computers with an IP address of 192.168.1.1 and the other computers IP to 192.168.1.2 As stated previously, It sounds as if the pc's are trying to obtain IP addresses automatically from a dhcp server, an on your network there is none. So, give that a try with the IP addresses, and let us know what happens. surf |
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10-19-2001, 05:28 AM
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Have you made any drive mappings or shortcuts on the desktop related to either machine? If so it'll by default try to restore those mappings when you boot, and if the other machine the shortcuts/mappings point to isn't on, it'll take awhile to time out.
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10-19-2001, 06:20 AM
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Xayd,
Those are very good points, I don't think I have, but I will double check just in case...... Is there any chance I have anything similar set up but not on the desktop? I don't think there is anything on the desktop but will check. I don't think there is any mapped drives on Windows explorer, but I may have put one there while I was testing and then forgotten to remove it, I will have a look. Thanks Andy |
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10-19-2001, 11:29 PM
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Shortcuts elsewhere shouldn't make much difference, drive mappings and the desktop are what'll cause the long boot times. Any other shortcut would only time out if you tried to look at it or open it.
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10-22-2001, 03:14 AM
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Xayd,
Had a look, and I couldn't find anything...... Andy |
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