How to share files/printer between XP PC & Windows 7 laptop on a working N-broadband

[buildingit]

Originally Posted by mojo You need to actually share some folders on both computers. Right-click, sharing/share with, you'll figure out the details.

hi mojo. my mp3 folder on the xp has been shared to everyone for 2 days now- read only.

I copied a file into the public folder on the win 7 machine. I also shared all my documents to everyone. I am not sure how to get to the public folder but anyway, I have one way of getting there so I put a single msword document in it.

frankly, I am getting fed up here. I have just turned over 2-3 days of my life to Bill Gates free of charge, than you very much.

And really it makes no sense to me- it is absurd. Because at no time have I once told the win7 machine the name of my xp machine. Never. In a way, I am GLAD they can't see each other because I have never specifaclly given them permission to even talk to each other.


So say cousin henry comes to stay with me and he has a wireless computer. I let him use my router to access the internet, sure, but I don't want him on my computer. But I do want my husband to be able to see some of my folders. Right now there is no way to distinguish between Henry and my husband.

I have not told the win 7 machine anything about the xp!!!!!! Nothing. The only thing they share in common is the single word "workgroup" and that is really generic!

That link GLC gave me, I am almsot positive it is assuming the preexistance of a defined home network.

[buildingit]

well, I just talked to Shaw cable. They said most people don't bother to connect in home computers because it just opens up a lot of security issues. And they themselves will not touch it.

And as I was using my beautiful laptop this weekend, I was thinking I will really make it my main computer.

My only reason now for wanting to keep the XP is to use it as my Music box. If I am in my bedroom with my laptop, I would like to pick a new song to play from Itunes on my XP in the livingroom. Because my XP has proper RCA jacks outputting to my stereo reciever. The stereo reciever then is connected to speakers all over my place.

So GLC mentioned a long time ago I can use Vpn or something to remotely control my xp.

That is all I want to do.

Maybe I don't even need a home network for that.

[glc]

I'm not trying to make you feel bad, but I don't have a clue what you are doing wrong or not doing. It should take about 5 minutes to get 2 computers to see each other, share a couple folders, and share a printer.

EDIT: Can we get someone like Mojo to start over with you from scratch? If all machines are XP or older, I can get them networked with my eyes closed. I have been avoiding Vista and Win 7, so I don't know all I should about their networking systems.

[ChoboSeki]

Originally Posted by glc I'm not trying to make you feel bad, but I don't have a clue what you are doing wrong or not doing. It should take about 5 minutes to get 2 computers to see each other, share a couple folders, and share a printer. EDIT: Can we get someone like Mojo to start over with you from scratch? If all machines are XP or older, I can get them networked with my eyes closed. I have been avoiding Vista and Win 7, so I don't know all I should about their networking systems.

Windows Vista and 7 are the same except they have a stupid workgroup password (you can disable this) and passworded sharing on default (you can disable this)

I have had problems connecting between XP/Vista and XP/7 but disabling the passworded sharing fixes that.


@ op
Make sure again that both computers are running on the same workgroup.

XP:
Right click My Computer on desktop > Properties
Click on Computer Name tab
---- click "To rename this computer or join a domain, click Change"

Vista/7:
Right click Computer on desktop > Properties
Click "Advanced System Settings" on the left
Click on Computer Name tab
---- click "To rename this computer or join a domain, click Change"


MAKE SURE THEY ARE BOTH WORKGROUPS - NOT DOMAIN

[buildingit]

Originally Posted by ChoboSeki @ op Make sure again that both computers are running on the same workgroup. XP: Right click My Computer on desktop > Properties Click on Computer Name tab ---- click "To rename this computer or join a domain, click Change" Vista/7: Right click Computer on desktop > Properties Click "Advanced System Settings" on the left Click on Computer Name tab ---- click "To rename this computer or join a domain, click Change" MAKE SURE THEY ARE BOTH WORKGROUPS - NOT DOMAIN

yes, they both have the workgroup rodio button checked and underneath it says WORKGROUP

[glc]

Do they have different computer names? That's required too.

[buildingit]

yes they do.

I have also added computer descriptions today- different on each

[ChoboSeki]

Originally Posted by buildingit yes they do. I have also added computer descriptions today- different on each

Try:

XP
Start > Run > CMD
Type in: Net Start SharedAccess



Vista/7
Start > Type "CMD" > Right click cmd.exe > Run As Admin
Type: Net Start SharedAccess


If any computers say Successful, try to access the other computer.

[buildingit]

XP
Start > Run > CMD
Type in: Net Start SharedAccess

it says
"the requested service has already been started"

Vista/7
Start > Type "CMD" > Right click cmd.exe > Run As Admin
Type: Net Start SharedAccess


it says
"system error 1058 has occured

the service cannot be started either because it is disabled or because it has no enabled devices associated with it"

I really don't know how to try accessing any more- I have already tried

[ChoboSeki]

You may have some other services disabled.

Try (on windows 7/vista):

net start LanmanWorkstation
net start NlaSvc
net start netprofm
net start Netman

Let me know if any were not started or are disabled.

If any successfully starts, try to access the XP.

[jlyell]

Thanks, I didn't know to do this, great feedback and when I searched it came right up! =) Have a great day

[buildingit]

hi

net start LanmanWorkstation

it says :"The requested service has already been started"


net start NlaSvc

it says :"The requested service has already been started"


net start netprofm

it says :"The requested service has already been started"


net start Netman


it says :"The requested service has already been started"

[ChoboSeki]

I guess you can try enabling SharedAccess:

Start > Services.msc > Press Enter

Find "Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)"
Double click it > Select Startup Type: Automatic
Click OK > Right click it and hit Start Service

[buildingit]

ok,


On the Win 7 Machine:

it was disabled!

So I turned it to automatic like you said, then right clicked and selected start like you said and it started but it immediately came back with this textbox:

"The Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) service on Local Computer started and then stopped. Some services stop automatically if they are not in use by other services or programs"

On the XP machine:

I got a list of services, both standard and extended. "Internet Connection Sharing" is not in either list. I printed the lists to a text file if you want to see them- they list what services are on and what services are off. F-Secure's firewall is not on, but some F_Secure Management thing is. Maybe this is still and F-Secure problem? I don't know if it would be safe to post the list in public?

[buildingit]

just in case,

it says

"F-Secure Anti-virus Firewall Daemon" is on. But I just checked and the firewall is disabled.

[buildingit]

oops,


I just saw on the XP services listing, and item called


"Windows Firewall/ Internet Conection Sharing (ICS)"

it is started already and it is set to automatic.

[buildingit]

edit: this is where I start wasting time- stabbing in the dark- for Public not being connected I just read that is for coffee shops so forget it. But I will leave my writeup as is in case there is something of value in there.


I suddenly paniced thinking my win 7 firewall wasn't turned on, so I just checked. It is. But there is something that may be of value to you.

Under windows firewall page on the win 7 machine, it says:


that the Home or work (private) networks are connected.
windows firewall state: on
Incoming Connections: "Block all connections to programs that are not on the list of allowed programs"
Active home or work netwroks: the name I gave it
Notification state:
notify me when windows blocks a new program

then, for the Public Networks it says Not connected.

(I don't know what that means- but maybe it means something- "NOT" connected)
Firewall state: on
Incoming Connections:"Block all connections to programs that are not on the list of allowed programs"
Active public networks: none
Notification state:notify me when windows blocks a new program

I can still get on the internet with the win 7. The xp is hardwired to the router. The laptop is wireless. I installed the router software on the xp but apparently it makes no difference.

[ChoboSeki]

Originally Posted by buildingit ok, On the Win 7 Machine: it was disabled! So I turned it to automatic like you said, then right clicked and selected start like you said and it started but it immediately came back with this textbox: "The Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) service on Local Computer started and then stopped. Some services stop automatically if they are not in use by other services or programs" On the XP machine: I got a list of services, both standard and extended. "Internet Connection Sharing" is not in either list. I printed the lists to a text file if you want to see them- they list what services are on and what services are off. F-Secure's firewall is not on, but some F_Secure Management thing is. Maybe this is still and F-Secure problem? I don't know if it would be safe to post the list in public?

You must enable/start these in order to start Internet Connection Sharing (ICS):

1) Base Filtering Engine
2) Network Connection
3) Remote Access Connection Manager
4) Windows Management Intrumentation

[buildingit]

well, all these services were already on:

1) Base Filtering Engine was started and automatic
2) Network Connection was started and manual
3) Remote Access Connection Manager and started and manual
4) Windows Management Intrumentation started and automatic

so what I did was stopped them all in reverse order

then I started them in the order you listed.

then I looked at Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) and it was set to automatic but not started. So I changed it to manual. Then I started it. Then I got the exact same message as before:

The Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) service on Local Computer started and then stopped. Some services stop automatically if they are not in use by other services or programs


now, ummm, I may have a new problem. when I stopped the 4 services listed above, these 2 services:
1) Base Filtering Engine was started and automatic
4) Windows Management Intrumentation started and automatic

had about 4 services each that they also had to stop in order to stop. Windows warned me and I said ok, figuring that they would be turned back on again. There were a couple of Toshiba services and most notably, the Windows Firewall was among the services that need to be stopped. So I kept an eye out for it and it was not re-started automatically when I re-started the services. So I manually restarted it and checked it's advanced settings and it is the same as it was. But I am not sure if the other services were re-started.

[buildingit]

i just want to say that I am in the process of correcting that mistake of mine- I am seeing from the dependencies what services were also turned off and I am turning them back on

for windows management instrumentation, depenancies are

• toshiba health moniter- i am leaving that off- it was already bugging me
• IP helper tunnel- i am leaving that off?
• security centre- I turned that back on- it is automatic
• toshiba hdd ssd alert- I don't know what this is, I have left it off

for base filtering engine:

• f-secure was turned off- I turned it back on but not the firewall
• IKE AuthIP key....-I started this and it is automatic
• IPsec policy agent- I started this and it is manual (not sure, should it be automatic?)
• Routing and remote access- it is disable- I left it like this
• windows firewall- I turned it abck on, checked advanced setting ok

[ChoboSeki]

I did not advise you to stop them services, only start them.

I am out of theories so if anyone else thinks they can crack this, give it a shot. I'd like to know the solution. It shouldn't be this difficult to share files between XP and Vista/7. I have done it a dozen times. Something has to be wrong with your configuration.

[buildingit]

ya, ok, I give up too. The win 7 laptop is virtually brand new- I used it a couple of times in Feb when I bought it and now just this week. It doesn't even have anything on it. I know you didn't tell me to stop the services- I thought maybe if I re-started them. Thank you for all your help. You and GLC both, I really appreciate the effort

[mojo]

I'm thinking the F-secure firewall could still be blocking things. Is there any way you can uninstall it completely? The description you gave of the settings seems to indicate that it's blocking filesharing, and the message you got when you tried to get to it directly from the 7 machine certainly indicates that the filesharing ports were blocked. It's quite possible it's even blocking localhost access to itself. A couple more things to check. Does your user account have a password on the XP machine? Vista and 7 really don't like to share with computers that don't have passwords on them. And since you already seem to be comfortable checking your services, the service that actually shares files and folders is the "server" service, so make sure that is set to automatic and started. It probably already is though.

[buildingit]

Originally Posted by mojo A couple more things to check. Does your user account have a password on the XP machine? Vista and 7 really don't like to share with computers that don't have passwords on them. And since you already seem to be comfortable checking your services, the service that actually shares files and folders is the "server" service, so make sure that is set to automatic and started. It probably already is though.

yes, it has a password
yes, the "server| service is started and set to automatic

Originally Posted by mojo I'm thinking the F-secure firewall could still be blocking things. Is there any way you can uninstall it completely? The description you gave of the settings seems to indicate that it's blocking filesharing, and the message you got when you tried to get to it directly from the 7 machine certainly indicates that the filesharing ports were blocked. It's quite possible it's even blocking localhost access to itself..

I'm not sure which computer you are referring to- the win 7 laptop or the xp? I don't mind uninstalling it from the win 7. I also think it is F-Secure, for what it's worth. It has an anti-virus as well but I can go without one for a day or 2. I guess I could also unintall it from the xp. Could you please tell me which? thanx

[buildingit]

well here:

Windows 7 won't recognize XP PC in network [Solved]

it's not me. If you read some of those responses it is just a nightmare!

[glc]

Don't be TOO concerned if you run without a firewall temporarily - the router acts as a hardware firewall and will give you basic protection.

[buildingit]

Thank you GLC!

I think I have decided not to go on with this- it has just been really time consuming and I just can't afford it.

I think what really cemented my decision is looking at the replies in the link I posted- everyone was trying different things and there were so many different reasons for it not working. I didn't really read it but there were so many reasons other than F-Secure for making it not work- I am just shaking my head here, you know? Intellectually, I hate to drop it. But life calls and I just can't spend any more time on this.

But thank you ALL very much for trying. I think PCMech is great! I learn so much here. And everyone is so helpful and nice.


And I am going to buy that ps/2 keyboard today, thank you ! and I may even get that $15 cpu, and clean my computer. But as for Microsoft and their royal middle finger and all the endless trivia, I am through. Smilies

Thank you!