New install of ICS won't work!!!

[glc]

No, let's not reinstall ICS till we figure out exactly what's going on. Same with winipcfg release and renew.

I think that the AnalogX Proxy just might work here - if it doesn't have to bind to a specific host adapter like ICS. I think all you need is a working TCP/IP local network, which you should be able to set up with no difficulty, you already have TCP/IP bound to the D-Link card.

[Tuf]

I can't see any reason why it can't be made to work. What I meant was 98 might be confused trying to set up a modem, nic, and the DSL Modem(which it sees as another modem or nic) all at once.
I did spend a couple of hours reading about CAP. While I understand now that you are severely limited in terms of modem selection. I didn't learn anything that would me me believe the connection can't be shared through ICS.

[Tuf]

I will add one thing at this point when (not if) you get this to work be sure to WRITE your settings down. I've fought little wars such as this just to come back six months later and do it again because I wasn't smart enough to write them down.

[TwoRails]

Hi glc & Tuf,

(I'm half asleep writing this, so I hope I make sense...) OK, both of you have said things about 'working network.' -- I've Not installed anything (to my knowledge) about Networking. Just the NICs and ICS is all I've installed....

So, to make sure I'm following:

1) I'm Not going to be installing ICS again, or mess with any settings.

2) Leave the regular modem in at this point.

3) download and install AnalogX Proxy, using their installation instructions. BUT, this is where I'm not sure: do I install any Network things before / after installing AnalogX Proxy??

4) test to see what's working...

5) make notes of all settings for future reference!!

TwoRails

PS: I can't seem to find anyway to print this thread out?? Is there such a thing?

[glc]

No, get a LAN working first. Make sure you have TCP/IP bound to the D-Link cards in each machine and you have file and printer sharing enabled. Make sure both machines are in the same workgroup, and assign IP addresses to each machine. Do this by opening the TCP/IP properties of the D-Link and assign your host 192.168.0.1 and a client 192.168.0.2, the subnet mask should be 255.255.255.0, no other settings should have to be messed with for right now. After you reboot each one and log in, open Network Neighborhood on each machine and you should be able to see both machines in there on EACH machine. Then we can proceed to trying to get the proxy set up.

[TwoRails]

I don't think I've ever feel so ignorant about computers... I tried F1 help, and MS's Web site, but found no info on setting up a LAN. I'll do exactly as above and go from there....

TwoRails

PS: I did manage to get off this weekend !!

[Floppyman]

Just wanted to stress a couple points on glc's excellent instructions.

1. Make sure you assign both computers to the same workgroup.

2. Make sure you have file and printer sharing installed on both computers. You don't need to sure anything. If you don't it installed on both computers, you won't see them in Network Neighborhood.

If you can't see one or the other computer in network neighborhood after setting up your LAN, *usually* (it could be something else too) one of the two things above wasn't done.

Let us know if everything's working out ok. I'll keep an eye on this thread too, and will try to jump in and help if I can. Good Luck, and hope this helps.

[TwoRails]

Hi Floppyman,

It took longer than I want to admit, but I finally found "workgroup" under "Identification." I hope this is the right spot.

I'll turn on file and print sharing (never have before). I assume that when you said, "You don't need to sure anything." you ment "You don't need to share anything." ??

I'll have to try all this stuff out tomorrow. I moved the client machine from the workshed to the bedroom, and my wife's already asleep.



TwoRails

[Floppyman]

I'll turn on file and print sharing (never have before). I assume that when you said, "You don't need to sure anything." you ment "You don't need to share anything." ??

Yeah, you're 100 percent right. Sometimes my brain goes faster than I can type. At this point don't worry about sharing anything, since we are try to get ICS to work first.

[TwoRails]

Boy Howdy, that's me!! I take 1 minute to write a post, then twenty to re-read and spell correct, etc... and I still don't get it right 1/2 the time! I reply to a post with zero responces, and by the time I get done, there are 5!!


TwoRails

[TwoRails]

Hi All,

Here's the update:

1) I put in the IP address and masks on both
2) enabled File and Print sharing on both
3) both requested the Win98SE CD and a reboot - OK
4) the Client machine now boots at normal speed (about 50 seconds) instead of the 3 + minutes it has been taking since I installed the NIC
5) the Client requests a Logon at bootup
6)the Client finds itself in Network Neighborhood, but does not find the host.

7) the Host does Not ask for a logon at bootup
8) the Host does Not find itself or the client in the 'Hood.

I must be missing something simple, but after hours of searching and printing out numerous pages of stuff, I still can't figure it out...



TwoRails

[Floppyman]

Hi Two Rails,

Can you ping the Host machine from the client machine? Open up a DOS window in windows and type: ping (then the IP address of the host). Run winipcfg again. Does the Network card have an IP address? Also, I didn't see you mention it, are both in the same workgroup? Also if you any firewall software enabled on the host, disable it and see if it works then. Let us know. HTH

[glc]

The host has a problem with network configuration or the NIC is bad/not installed correctly - or the DSL configuration is preventing it from binding.

If it's not too scary - on the host, go to the Windows Setup tab in add/remove programs and remove dialup networking and virtual private networking from the Communications group. Then remove ALL networking components from the Networks applet in control panel, shut down, and remove the nic, dialup modem, and DSL modem from the box. Reboot and make sure things are clean, run some kind of registry cleaner. Then reinstall JUST the DSL modem with the appropriate software and get the DSL back up on line. Post screen shots of your network components and winipcfg.

[TwoRails]

Hi Floppyman,

First, ping which IP address?? The address under the NIC card properties are different than what shows up when running Winipcfg.exe. To make it more clear, the NIC doesn't show up in Winipcfg.exe, just the two PPP adaptors (which should be the DSL and regular modems). See the jpeg called: ForGlc002 above, that I sent to glc (on page one, I believe). That shows the numbers from Winipcfg. For the straight NIC, I keyed in the IP address as advised from glc: 192.168.0.1 and 255.255.255.0.

Yes on the workgroup. Both had the same name, but, for testing, I changed them both to "testgroup".

I don't have my firewall start on bootup. So the above stuff is Without ZoneAlarm Pro. I only fire it up when I get online, like now. (if it helps: I don't have an aways-on connection)

TwoRails

[Floppyman]

If it's not too scary - on the host, go to the Windows Setup tab in add/remove programs and remove dialup networking and virtual private networking from the Communications group. Then remove ALL networking components from the Networks applet in control panel, shut down, and remove the nic, dialup modem, and DSL modem from the box. Reboot and make sure things are clean, run some kind of registry cleaner. Then reinstall JUST the DSL modem with the appropriate software and get the DSL back up on line. Post screen shots of your network components and winipcfg.

After reading your reply I seem to agree with glc posted. Are you up for the task?

[TwoRails]

Hi glc,

I like your choice of word: "scary" !! I use it a lot. Yanking components and building is right up my alley! Networking? Now that is scary ! LOL

Heck, before I started this morning I even flashed my BIOS from version 1005 to 1011, built a Cat5e test box to test the cables I made, did a Windows Update, Made a Ghost Image of 'C' drive, Diskscan, etc, etc...... (that was my breakfast at 4 in the morning! )

I'll be able to strip it down in an hour or two (hopefully) and, before I do, I check back here. Then I'll post the results...

BFN

TwoRails

edit: see how slow I post??

[glc]

Good - as long as you have a ghost you can destroy Windows and not sweat it! It needs surgery.

[TwoRails]

Hi, I'm Back!!

I haven't taken any screen shots yet, as this is my DSL modem test. So far, so good.

I'll list my steps below, but the only thing interesting was when installing the modem, Windows found it as a "PCI ATM Controller"
I aborted installing drivers, because when uninstalling everything, I just happened to notice that ATM (whatever that means) was Not installed under Windows Setup. So I then installed ATM in Windows Setup, rebooted, then installed the DSL modem drivers.

Oh, I also notice that my "Log Off" option on the Start Menu is no longer there, even though I don't / didn't have to log on to begin with.

At this point, the NIC and regular modem are Not installed. Also, I do Not plan on reinstalling the regular modem (I recently purchased a fax machine so I no longer need fax capabilities in the computer).

TwoRails

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This is just the log, in order, of what I did and I'm just posting it for ???

Under Add/Remove:
..removed the FAX software
..removed Modem Blaster software
..removed Intel DSL 2100 modem & utilities software

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From the Device Manager:
..removed Microsoft Virtual Privacy Network (what ever that is ??)
..removed Dailup Adaptor
..removed Dailup Adaptor w/ VPN support

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From the Control Panel:
..removed Modem Blaster
..removed the D-Link NIC

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1st boot after the above, a New Hardware dialog flashed by, but didn't see what it was!?
No "!"s in Device Manager
Disabled Norton Auto Protect / AntiVirus

Shut down
installed the DSL modem
rebooted, and installed Windows ATM and modem software as described above

rebooted and this is my test.

[TwoRails]

Attached is the requested screen shots:

on the left is Network Properties (and with the magic of cut-n-paste, all components are showing. On the right is Winipcfg.

Is there any other info / shots I can post to help??

When do you want me to put the NIC back in?

Again, Thanks!!

TwoRails

[TwoRails]

Sorry...., here's the jpeg:

[Floppyman]

Hi,

On your screen shots, I see it can be further scrolled down. What's at the bottom?

[TwoRails]

on the left shot, it's all there. I pasted the only missing line on the bottom of the list -- you'll notice the double down arrow.

on the right, there is only the one PPP Adaptor there! The other one went away (which I assume is a good thing) since the regular modem is removed.

[Tuf]

It certainly looks like you are headed down the right road. I don't know anything about NDISWAN. I have read for a couple of hours and I have some basic understanding (very very basic) of what it is for. I don't understand all of the terminology used to describe it's actions while in use. That being said I am going to assume that your internet connection is now configured correctly(because it works).
Wait for George's answer before proceeding(because I am guessing). That now all you need to do is install a working nic and bind only TCP/IP to it. Then implement whatever sharing software you have decided to use.
I cannot stress enough that you should wait for glc to answer. There is some interesting info here:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...8mwan_6t47.asp
I did searched on Google for "NDISWAN" and found an enormous amount of info. Most of it deals with technologoies that I have no experience with.
Good Luck I am anxious to see you get this working and commend your dedication.

[glc]

Oh boy. I do not think ICS is going to work for you, period. From what I know, it has to bind to a physical adapter of some sort that uses standard TCP/IP. You don't have one of these (other than your inactive dialup adapter), you have something that's using intermediaries (ATM, NDISWAN, PPP) and TCP/IP is not directly exposed. I'm getting in over my head here because I've never seen anything like this before, I'm going on pure logic and guesswork here. If there is a solution here, it's going to have to be 3rd party. I still think the AnalogX proxy might be able to do it, but I've never actually used it so I can't tell for sure. I don't think it would hurt to try and it shouldn't clutter up your network properties like ICS does.

The reason you don't have the "log off" option any more is twofold - you no longer have the "Microsoft Family Logon", and you don't have a NIC in the machine.

Next step - reinstall the NIC and get a simple filesharing going. Assign it a static IP (192.168.0.1, subnet mask 255.255.255.0) and try to get the 2 machines to see each other like you did before, assign the other machine the .2 IP address.

Looking back on what you did - there are only 2 things that I would question - you didn't uninstall dialup networking, and you installed ATM where it wasn't there before. I don't think that either thing is affecting anything, but it does add 2 things to the equation that I'm not convinced need to be there.

One thing has become somewhat clear - your flavor of ADSL is "PPPoA" - which is PPP over ATM, as opposed to "PPPoE" which is PPP over Ethernet. I'm far from being a networking guru so I'll let others explain the technicalities if they want.

[TwoRails]

Hi Tuf: Thanks for the link, but that sure is way over my head!

Hi glc,

Wow..... Now I know what PPPoA / oE stands for!

I've, for as long as I can remember, always had a "log off" option !?!?

OK, I'll re-install the NIC this morning.

Ya, I took a gamble on installing ATM, but only because Win98 said it was an ATM device... All I can say about not un-installing Dailup is, Dooh!

I'll post back soon. (is there a better word than "post?" )

Thanks again, you guys!!

TwoRails...The UnConnected

[TwoRails]

I installed the NIC, and now the two boxes see each other in Network Neighborhood. So we have sucess at least in a limited way.

I opened Explorer in both, and each is showing in each Network Hood, but nothing shows up "under" as in trying to read directories and such.

I tried opening IE on the Client. It started by checking proxy settings, then flashed "dnserror" and then the page could not be found...

TwoRails

[glc]

Your logoff option will reappear when you reinstall the NIC. You will also get a Client for Microsoft Networks logon that you will have to do when you boot it up, keep it easy and don't use a password, just leave it blank - but you must hit OK, not Cancel.

[TwoRails]

Yes, it did. I'm checking out AnalogX Proxy's site right now....

[TwoRails]

The Client sez, "Captain, there be Internet here!"

Hi All!!!

First, I really can not express my thanks adequately enough for the time and effort that everybody has spent with this problem!!! Sincerely, I Thank You !!!

Here's the cherry on the proverbial cake:

First, since everything was cleared out, and it's so easy to uninstall, I re-Installed ICS on the host.

On both boxes, under Network Properties for the NIC cards:

under DNS Config:
..Entered the Primary / Secondary DNS in the Search Order
..Entered fake Host & Domain names

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On the Client Only:

Entered a Gateway Address of 192.168.0.1

The I did the same test I've been doing all along and that was to open IE and go somewhere on the Client. And it worked!

I think I'm in a state of shock!!!!!!

Again, I want to express my Thanks!

TwoRails

PS: I your every in my neck of the woods, I owe you a couple of cold ones !

[Tuf]

Absolutely, Positively, Wonderful!!!


I knew if you stayed after it you would get it. I just had no idea how! But I couldn't find any reason why it wouldn't work. This is probably wrong but in my mind I picture this as a big LAN that uses a psuedo ISDN connection. See now even I am confused! You are the one that got it working and you should be proud. Oh and next time you have reason to talk to your ISP, shoot 'em big raspberry from me!

Tuf