New install of ICS won't work!!!

[TwoRails]

HI All,

Well, I finally found time to install the D-Link NICs. Had a few minor problems, like a DOA NIC, and fixed them, BUT, the client computer can't find the host. Device Manager sez NIC is working OK, and the green lights work on the NIC and Switch.

During setup, nothing as for any DNS numbers or the like, I thought you had to plug in numbers somewhere??

(Also, my Host doesn't work now with ZoneAlarm Pro, but that's a different issue? I'll download the latest version and install, in hopes that corrects that problem. Right now, ZA if off.)

Please Help !!

TwoRails

[Floppyman]

Leave DHCP enabled on the client and give the host an IP such as 192.168.0.1, and a subnet of 255.255.255.0. Make sure ICS is installed and your connection shared. If you're using zonealarm make sure you add the client to the hosts trusted zone and the host to the client trusted zone, otherwise filesharing etc. won't work between the two. Hope this helps.

[glc]

Enabling ICS on the host will automatically assign 192.168.0.1 to the host adapter - and all you should have to do on the clients is enable DHCP. Let's review a bit - what versions of Windows are we dealing with and what kind of modem is it?

[TwoRails]

Hi Floppyman,

Played with some settings (but I don't know what I'm doing), and still no good.

Here's what I have under the TCP/IP properties. I'll list the ones that are the same on both machines, then the ones that are different:

DNS -- set to disabled
Gateway -- blank / empty
Bindings -- client for MS network, and MS family logon
Advanced -- ATM -- No

On the Host:
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IP address -- as you listed above
WINS -- ONLY have choices of Disabled, Enabled, the DHCP is greyed out.


On the Client:
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IP address -- auto
WINS -- have all choices, and is set to DHCP

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Under the NIC properties:

Advance -- Network Address -- None / empty

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I'm still having trouble with ZA Pro, but even with it off, the client machine still can't find the Internet...

What now?

Thanks

TwoRails

PS: when you say "shared" -- where do I find this? couldn't find a "shared" option anyway, except for File / Printer sharing, which is Not checked on either machine. Just want to share the Internet, no need to share files or printers has each machine is a stand alone unit with their own printers, scanners, etc..

[TwoRails]

Hi glc,

Just now saw you post! (had my last post on my screen for a while)

Both (all when I add the 3rd) machines are running Win 98SE. This unit (the host) has all the updates, the client has a fresh install, so its %100 "stock" untill I can run Windows Update.

The modem is an Intel 2100 DSL "CAP" which is internal.

If I can supply any other info that can be useful, let me know!!

Thanks !!

TwoRails

[glc]

Okay - uninstall ICS on all machines. Then get the Intel working properly on the host as a standalone. THEN reinstall ICS on the host ONLY and take the defaults - and set the clients to DHCP. Get rid of the MS Family Logon completely and use Client for MS Networks for your primary logon. If you can't get ICS working, uninstall it and get the AnalogX Proxy and try that.

[TwoRails]

What a coincidence! I uninstalled ICS, which is only on the host machine, and reinstalled it. I thought about the NIC being DOA and figured ICS didn't take.

Still no luck! And so far, I'm trying everything Without ZA Pro running, so that not the problem.

Also, I tried going into Network Neighborhood, and checked out the "Entire Network." It sez, Network Not Accessable.

One funny thing is when both times I installed ICS, I did not get any dialogs!! I get the first "click to continue" window, then I get the final window that sez it found enough info and click to finish!?

Still curious about no Network Address under the NIC properties. Is blank info here OK??

Thanks!

TwoRails

[TwoRails]

Hi glc,

I just checked out AnalogX Proxy and the site sez it works with a Network to share internet access.... I hate to sound stupid, but I don't no if I have a network setup. As mentioned above, I at least know Network Neighborhood can't find it.

What, and only, I did was:

1) install the D-Link NICs in each system.
2) made and installed Cat 5 cables from the Host to the switch,and from the client to the switch.
3) turned on both units
4) installed ICS on the host (first time ever installed)
5) installed the program on the floppy from step 4 on the client.

6) swapped out the defective NIC in the host
7) un / re-installed ICS on the Host.

And I tried / checked the items above...

I didn't do / see anything about networking in all this....

I've been on this 1/2 the night and all day..... it seems like it should be simple, but I'm just not experienced enough to see what's wrong...

TwoRails

[TwoRails]

I may have found the problem, but not even close to being sure...

Trying to find out if "sharing' is enable, as Floppyman suggested, I found it in Internet Properties > Connections > Sharing.

The box is checked to share, but under Connect Using, it shows "#1 Dail-Up Adapter" It is not allowing me to change this. I do have a dialup modem installed (a ModemBlaster) but use it (rarely) for an answering machine and fax, not for a dial-up account.

[glc]

Oh boy........the Intel DSL modem has to be shared somehow...........is it showing up in network properties as an adapter with TCP/IP bound to it?

[TwoRails]

Hi glc,

No.... Here's a screen dump of the properties box.

The top one is the new NIC and the bottom is the DSL modem:

[glc]

Ugh - I'm now lost. ICS has to bind to that Intel adapter somehow to use ICS. Do you use ISP-provided software to log in - and if so, what is it? I'm thinking that if this is PPPoE, you could use RASPPPoE to bind it into Dialup Networking - and if you can do that, ICS will work. Enternet 300 and Winpoet are the two PPPoE clients I am familiar with.

The fact that it's using NDISWAN is throwing me for a loop here - that's something usually used for a VPN. I have a feeling that your DSL provider is really trying hard to prevent you from sharing the connection.

It might be worth a try to break it all down again and get the DSL working standalone with ICS totally removed - then getting your network working for filesharing just to make sure that it *works* - then trying the AnalogX proxy or something.

[TwoRails]

Boy Howdy, glc !! you said a mouthful...I hope I don't miss anything.

1) special software? None that I'm aware of. When I log on (I don't have an always on connection) I get the same window I got when I had a dailup account, but instead of a phone number, there is only a 1,1

2) When I use IE's: Tools > Internet Options > Connections, then click on Settings for my DialUp, then click Properties, then click Server Types, it shows as a "PPP, Internet, Windows NT Server, Win98" but this is grayed out.

3) Below this grayed out box has "Allowed network protocols" ICP/IP is checked. Clicking on ICP/IP settings shows as checked: Server assigned IP address, and Server assigned server address

4) What is VPN? That is nothing I have done intentionally.... Part of Windows? or maybe MSN?

5) And finally, even though I don't have a need for filesharing, I like your idea about going with it for a test, assuming I can undue this feature. Here's the big rub with that idea: I have no idea about how to do it. Don't forget that even though I've been building since the original PC, I have absolutely Zero experience with any type of networking... sorry....

Think that is related to "No Network Access" when I check the Net Hood?

glc, I do appreciate you time!!!



TwoRails

[Shikwa]

Interesting... my ISDN adapter (modem) uses the NDISWAN protocol! Are you using an IDSL connection TwoRails? From what I understand ISDN and IDSL utilise the same technology. In other words IDSL is just an 'always-on' connection of ISDN. If you don't know straight off whether you're on IDSL if you have 128/128 download/upload .. then its probably IDSL.

I think glc is definately on the right track in asking how you log on to the internet. Is the machine logged on when u boot it up or do use dailup networking or a PPPoE client. Your IE settings seem to suggest a dailup connection.

Maybe this will help... just swap in you're internal modem for the ethernet modem in the instructions and change any relative settings accordingly:

http://www.homenethelp.com/ics/ics-install-net98.asp

HTH ... and if it doesn't tell us how you get things working .. its getting very interesting .

[TwoRails]

Hi Shikwa,

I'm not familiar with IDSL. I've heard of ADSL and SDSL. I think I have ADSL as I have a download speed of 640 and an upload speed of 256. Also, I do not have an 'always on' connection.

I don't think it's possible to swap my DSL modem with the Network Interface Card. The modem is like a dialup modem wherein it has a RJ 11 phone jack line in, and a second one for the line out to the phone. The NIC has one RJ 45 connection.

I checked out your link, thanks! Unfortunately, it didn't fix the problem....

Ya, it is interesting! There's got to be a way!!

TwoRails

[Shikwa]

Maybe this will help... just swap in you're internal modem for the ethernet modem in the instructions and change any relative settings accordingly:

Actually I was referring to the instructions in the link that followed that. The ICS instructions I linked to refer to an ethernet DSL modem. I just meant replace the ethernet modem with your internal modem when you follow the instructions .. not physically switch round your DSL modem and NIC. Now that I read my post again it does sound a little confusing . I hope that cleared it up .

[TwoRails]

Hi Shikwa,

The setup I have is the bottom most picture in this page:

http://www.homenethelp.com/ics/ics-install-arch.asp

I don't have a separte ethernet modem.... Now what??

I just wish I new a little more....

TwoRails

[glc]

Tell ya what - uninstall ICS from the host completely and make sure it connects standalone. Then take another screenshot of your network properties - if you have to scroll, take multiple shots - I want to see everything that's in there.

[TwoRails]

Hi glc,

You're on! I should be able to try that sometime this morning as I have the day off.

TwoRails

[TwoRails]

HI glc,

Had to do the ole honey-do list....

attached is the info you requested. To save a little bandwidth, I put "page" 2 & 3 to the right of the full dialog box. Page 2 on top, and page 3, with the highlight showing where #2 left off, on bottom.

Also I discovered an applet, winipcfg.exe, to run. It (seems to) has some useful info... would that help any??

TwoRails

[glc]

Arrrgggghhhhh!

I honestly don't think standard ICS is going to work with that setup, unless someone else knows more than I do about this specific type of DSL connection. TCP/IP is not directly bound to that Intel modem and it appears to me that it's using some type of VPN setup.

Last chance - run winipcfg, select "more info", select each adapter (there will be several) and take screen shots of all of them. Do this when logged on to the DSL.

[TwoRails]

Hi glc,

I'm back on 12/13 hours / day again so "I'll be soo busy I won't have time to change my mind !!" LOL --That is to say I'll be as timely as I am able. After a few days on that schedule, I don't always check my email and such...

There are only 2 adaptors in there. The first one is on the left, the second on the right. I don't know how the computer name got there, as that was at least 3 motherboard / CPU setups ago!

If it helps, my current machine is an A7V333 w/ a 1800+ (you can see that when I say I'm an Asus fan, I'm not kidding!

TwoRails

PS: as you suggested, I took the screen shots while online writing this.

PPS: Oh, forgot to mention that it is not a typo on the PPP adaptor, as it / they are listed twice.

[TwoRails]

Hi glc,

I forgot to mention that I also have a regular modem in the box, too. That's probably the second PPP adaptor.

Here's all my cards, in order, top down: agp Vid, empty, sound, NIC, modem, DSL modem.

I phone line goes into the DSL modem, over to the regular modem, then out to the phone, so all four jacks are used.

HTH

Thanks!

TwoRails...The Tired

[glc]

Those are the only 2 adapters available in the dropdown window? The dialup adapters and the D-Link should show up in there too.

The only way you are going to be able to share the connection is somehow share out that PPP connection on the left that has correct IP addressing in it. If ICS doesn't do it, we need to look for some 3rd party solution.

Anyone else out there that follows what's going on - jump in, please.

[Tuf]

I don't understand how you actually connect to your DSL service. I read all the links and it doesn't seem too bad. But it obviously doesn't work like they say. Where is this NDISWAN protocol coming from? At what point is it added?
If it were me I'd see if I couldn't get an external DSL modem and trade that switch for a router.
But barring that I think you are throwing too much at once for 98 to configure. I think I would pull the DSL modem and the dial up modem out of the host computer and get the networking up and running with NetBEUI as the link suggested. Next install the DSL modem and add TCP/IP for it. I wouldn't put the dial up modem in until after everything else was working. I would even consider putting it in one of the clients.
I know I am oversimplifying the solution. I don't mean to but I know I couldn't get it working the way everything is installed. I would take it slow and add in one new factor at a time and see where it is going awry.
I think I would try it with file and print sharing enabled at first.

[glc]

Tuf: There's another thread which explains why he has to use this POS modem. That's all he can use unless he pays substantially more for a business class DSL account. It's not standard PPPoE or PPPoA - I don't know what the heck it is unless it's a variant of G.lite or something. He has already been around the block several times with his ISP and he's stuck with that modem. He can't even BUY an Ethernet modem or router or anything that's compatible, it's gonna have to be shared with software if it can even be shared at all.

[Tuf]

OK that makes more sense...I thought I was in the twilight zone or missing something. Who is the provider of the DSL. They sound like real winners.

[glc]

Search this forum (Networking & Novell) on username TwoRails - read the threads that he has originated, all the background is in there.

[TwoRails]

Originally posted by glc Those are the only 2 adapters available in the dropdown window? The dialup adapters and the D-Link should show up in there too.

Hi glc,

I double checked, again (quad pump... err, checked? )

That is all that is there with ICS Uninstalled. I didn't look when it was installed... I'll reinstall if you'd like?

TwoRails

PS: had a short day today... had to work only 10 hours, but, unfortuneately I scheduled to work this weekend -- boo -- hisss

[TwoRails]

Hi Tuf,

glc already gave a quick update on my problems (thanks!! glc). It's been a nightmare. To answer some of your Q's:

1) I physically connect thru the phone line to an internal Intel 2100 modem. I'm grandfathered in my old contract (which in most respects is very good for me) but it is the "old" / discontinued protocol called "CAP" (whatever that means.) It uses a regular phone cord, but the other lines in the house have to have filters.

2) your next several questions I can't answer, like about the NDISWAN, because I don't know... sorry...

3) I don't think I'm throwing to much at Win98 as this is basically the same system I've had for years. And it has worked for years. Yes, I've popped the hard drives into new motherboards, new cases, new CPUs, and new hard drives etc. etc. but my overall config is the same and has worked in all setups. All internal components work. The rest of my system is USB (multi printers, etc...) and they all work fine, too.

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If you guys think that pulling (and uninstalling) the regular modem (don't use but for faxes and the like) will help things, I'm game, but don't forget I may not be able to get back too quickly due to work schedule...

Also, the WINIPCFG has a "release all" and "restore all" options. Would running this (either before or after the reg. modem thing) do anything??

Thanks, again, for you time here!!

TwoRails