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Newbie router question
Hi all,
Last summer a co-worker talked me into buying a router since I needed to connect two computers to my broadband (cablemodem) connection. He insisted that since both my computers were running XP Home edition that connecting them would be a snap. Well, I found a Linksys Cable/DSL router on sale and bought it. Problem is I finally got time to attempt to set it up over the Holidays, but found that the instructions were not for XP. Also the co-worker has moved on. Can anyone tell me if getting my computers connected will be a simple matter, or if not, what do I need to do to get this working. All help will be greatly appreciated. |
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Well, first off what are OS are you running? and for the most part it should be snap.....
Out of curiosity, did the router maybe give installation instructions for Windows 2000, because Win2000 and XP are very very simular as far as thier set up goes. |
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Most instructions that are meant for older operating systems will work fine with XP, Home or Pro. The settings will still be there, but you may just have to search around for them a little bit.
Altough most of the time you can basically find everything you need in the same place described in the manual. Good luck Dave |
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The setup is extremely simple - you should not have to configure anything, try plugging it in and go, cablemodems should work with the factory defaults unless you have to clone the MAC address of your original NIC into it. Linksys should have an online manual update for XP if needed.
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Thanks everyone,
The instructions were for Windows 95 and 98, for 2000 they suggested contacting the 2000 documentation. My co-worker had suggested that with XP it would be almost automatic. I've never networked PC's but I'll give it a try and see if any problems arise. Thanks again. |
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LinkSys Routers come with a CD that will automoatically move your MAC Address over if you follow the step by step. You basically load the software before you plug in the router, it takes a snapshot and then it tells you to connect the router and it moves everything over automatically.
The above would be my second option. 90% of the ones that I have installed are plug and go, although you do need to reboot your system after you plug in your Router so it refreshes your IP's |
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jb: That's assuming the router is new enough. Jay indicated that he bought it on sale last summer, which might mean it's an old version, which wasn't quite that easy. Yes, it *should* just plug and go but may need a MAC clone depending on the cable provider, and it definitely should get a firmware update when it's up and running.
Last edited by glc; 02-04-2003 at 01:37 PM. |
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Since jayscott did not post what he have now. Let's also assume that he have already his NIC's stuck inside his Computers and duly configured too.
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Hi, thanks again for all the helpful replies.
I plan on trying to get this hooked up this weekend. I did find the Linksys BroadBand Networking CD. Currently I can get either PC to connect to my cable service (Comcast) by simply unplugging the modem to reset it, and then connecting the PC and booting up. both machines have NICs but I'm not sure how they are configured. I have never worked on networked PCs but I would like to not have to physically swap the PCs whenever I need an internet connection. Also I would like to be able to share large files that are created by my video camcorder or with my TV capture card. I have the TV capture card on one machine and a DVD burner on the other but currently no way to move large avi files between the two since they are too large for CDs. If I can get them to share the internet connection and the large files it would be a real help! |
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Do you have Cat5 cabling installed from the NICs of each PC to the router? Have you run the Network Setup wizard to setup a network?
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Hi AlwaysUp,
I bought one 14 ft CAT6 cable back when I got the router, but I still need to pick up another cable before this weekend. I haven't tried anything so far, but I will need to know which machine to run any installation sofware on. One machine is a Dell with 1.3GHZ P4. but only 128MB of RDRAM. The other, which I built has a P4 1.8GHZ with 512MB RDRAM and SONY DRU500A DVD burner. |
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Really you shouldn't any software to set up the router. You can set up your computers in XP and setup the router using Internet Explorer.
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Until you get everything together there isn't any sense attempting to setup a network, but it is as Tuff says, that when you are ready XP makes this very easy. And to configure your router you will use your IE browser.
It would be very helpful if you would post the model #'s of your specific cable modem and particularly which router you have. But once you get the other cable; route each cable from the NIC of each machine to an open port on the router. There will be a specific port on the router that you will need to come out of the cable modem and connect to. It escapes me what this port is called....I don't think it is an uplink port, but it should be very easily identified. Post back if there is something that needs clarification. |
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If the cable modem works on either machine, the NICs are properly configured. Just plug the cable modem into the "WAN" port on the router, plug each computer into a switch port on the router, power up the router, power cycle the cable modem, and reboot each machine. You WILL have access to the Internet on both machines when everything comes back up. Then we can talk about making the network work and administering the router. There is NO installation software that you need to run.
To administer the router, you open http://192.168.1.1 in a browser and you will get a login window. Leave the username blank and use "admin" (without the quotes) for the password - and you are in. If you don't have the printed manual, Linksys has the PDF manual for the router online. |
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Ahh...WAN that's the ticket! Must have given the cerebral cortex a holiday!
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Hi everyone, I have the necessary cables and am just waiting for a DVD to finish encoding and burning on the P4 1.8G machine. This may take a while....
My cable modem is an RCA Digital Cable Modem, model no. DCM105. My router is a Linksys Instant Broadband - EtherFast Cable/DSL Router, model no. BEFSR41 |
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Shoot you got a good deal on that router. I have the same router. If you cable everything right and set up your network correctly everything will be peachy.
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Go might ask GLC, but I think there was a firmware issue with the older BEFSR41 modems that required some attention. He'll probably see this and respond though.
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Once you get it on line, updating the firmware on a Linksys router is a piece of cake - and should be done right away. The firmware file comes with a readme written in decent English.
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OK, I have both computers hooked up and each gets to the internet. Nice!
I still have a couple of problems though since when I look in the Network connection on the Dell machine it shows two local area connections but one is shown as unplugged. This is not the case on the other machine where it shows two connections both enabled. Also, I don't see any evidence of files in shared folders. Is there something else I need to do to get this to happen? Thanks again. |
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Can anyone shed some light on why in the control panel it still shows "Network Cable Unplugged" for one of the two local area connections on this machine? All network cables are connected and it gets to the internet. I have even replaced the cable with a new one, but still no luck.
Any suggestions are welcome. |
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You have two connections?
One is your network and the other I assume is an Internet Gateway? I would try right clicking the one that is showing to be unplugged and select disable. After it is done diabling it, right click it again and select enable. I have a notebook that once in a blue moon you have to do that to for it show the connection as good even though it works either way. For whatever reason it's not updating the GUI interface, it's not really a problem but it's annoying. |
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Hi Tuf, thanks for your help.
I connected the two machines and each got to the internet. Then I downloaded the firmware and it installed successfully. Next I tried to run the wizard to set up a home network. I wasn't sure of the type of configuration option to chose since they didn't mention a router specifically. Anyway I chose an option and the wizard set up my P4 1.8 new build. When I tried to use the wizard to set up the second machine it wouldn't work and I got an errror message due to the unplugged network cable situation that was shown in the Control Panel / Network Connections. Using your suggestion I tried enabling the connection but finally had to leave it disabled. I then was able to run the wizard on the second machine successfully. I still am unsure which configuration option to choose when asked by the wizard. Also after the wizard is run what is my next step to allow sharing of files. I hope some of what I described makes sense and apreciate your help. |
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Sounds like you have a crossover cable connected to the computer that is supposedly unplugged. Make sure you have a patch cable installed instead. Not sure how to identify them, maybe someone else can let you know. May be your problem, may not.
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When I look in Control Panel / Network connections on my Dell computer it shows the following.
Internet Gateway: Internet Connection- enabled Network Bridge: Local Area Connection- disabled, bridged 3Com 3c920 Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller Local Area Connector 2- enabled, bridged |
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When I look in Control Panel / Network connections on my Dell computer it shows the following.
Internet Gateway: Internet Connection- enabled Network Bridge: Local Area Connection- disabled, bridged 3Com 3c920 Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller Local Area Connector 2- enabled, bridged Linksys LNE100TX Fast Ethernet Adapter Network Bridge- enabled MAC Bridge Miniport My new build computer shows the following network connections. Internet Gateway: Internet Connection- enabled Network Bridge: 1394 Connection- enabled, bridged 1394 Net Adapter Local Area Connector- enabled bridged Linksys NC100 Fast Ethernet Adapter Network Bridge- enabled MAC Bridge Miniport Hope this helps. |
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Download the manual from linksys!
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You are getting ahead of yourself here.
You only need to run the wizard on one computer, doesn't matter which one. When it asks if you want to make a network setup disk, click yes. Then just run the disk on the other computer. You don't need any bridges installed, they are for connecting different LAN (networks) together. You are making a different network everytime you run the wizard. You can do this and end up with either one or two connections in your network connections folder. I like two myself, One being the Internet Gateway which XP will setup on it's own. The second being a LAN connection. That way I can kill the internet connection and still have my network be fully functional. If it were me I would delete all the connections from both computers and start over. Shouldn't take ten minutes to get them both back up and running the way you want. |
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To expand on what Tuf is recommending - after you delete all the connections, just set ONE connection up manually on each machine, don't run the wizard. Make sure each machine is in the same workgroup, but with unique names. Create a new network connection on each machine with Client for Microsoft Networks, TCP/IP with the default settings, and File and Print Sharing for Microsoft Networks. This should be ALL you need, check for Internet connectivity then open My Network Places, look in Computers Near Me, and if you see the other machine in there, you are good to go. Just share the folders and printers you want.
The problem here is this - when you run the networking wizard, the machine you run it on becomes sort of a "master" machine for assigning IP addresses and stuff - well, you don't want this, the router is controlling those functions, you just have to set both machines up as "dumb clients" so to speak. I never use the networking wizard on an XP box - I do it manually using the exact procedure I use on Win2K - the same with ME, no wizard, use Win98 procedures. Last edited by glc; 02-13-2003 at 08:10 AM. |
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I'll try that as it does sound like you'll end up with less crap in your settings. I have always made the disk and anytime I want to add a computer which is basically anything I work on I just pop the disk in. Before I give the computer back I just delete the connection and erase any history I may have created.
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