Whats the atmosphere like in US? I live in UK

[Mac Medic]

Diplomacy had failed long before Bush took office. Clinton could have gotten rid of hussein, but didn't have what it takes to be a man. The only time he did anything was after he got caught with an Intern, I wonder why he decided to act then?.And who really would wish Al Gore on our country to try and take care of this dictator.

[mr krinkle]

People easily forget that it was a Majority of the UN not just France Germany and Russia who were for a non bloody way to disarm Iraq.However Bush didnt have the votes to even get a simple majority,Even Mexico was against the war. But at the expense of our Troops Who we all support Bush decided that his political future at home was more important than World Opinion. So We are the Worlds Policeman Now.Is that a Good thing?

[TimPoet]

Originally posted by mr krinkle 1) a. People easily forget that it was a Majority of the UN not just France Germany and Russia who were for a non bloody way to disarm Iraq. b. However Bush didnt have the votes to even get a simple majority,Even Mexico was against the war. 2) But at the expense of our Troops Who we all support Bush decided that his political future at home was more important than World Opinion. 3) a. So We are the Worlds Policeman Now. b. Is that a Good thing?

1) a. I forgot nothing of the sort. This double talking group of nations alreadys signed off on Resolution 1441 which stated "serious consequences" would happen if Iraq didn't submit. Iraq didn't submit and now we are prosecuting the consequences in a most serious manner.
b. Bush didn't need another majority and the French made it clear they were going to be duplicitous and act almost like an enemy to America.

2) So Bush did the manly, right thing. He overrode them with the will of the United States people and military. We are not about to let a bunch of lying, possibly evil people get in the way of having our country protected from future September 11 attacks. This did not have to do with his political future but with his duty to the American people to protect them. And we would have done this unilaterally anyway, the hell with World Opinion if they don't see it our way. We are right and those who were about to vote against us were wrong. It's that simple.

3) a. No, we are not. We didn't go into Rwanda to stop the slaying of the million. We should only use our military to overwhelmingly conquer forces that present a threat to our vital national interests.
b. Being the world's cop would be a bad thing. Being the defender of America's vital national interests is a good thing.

If you have any more questions or need more clarity on the way things are feel free to post again.
HTH

[AlwaysUp]

mr krinkle, You yankees really don't get Bush, do you. Listen to even his most ardent opponents and you will hear that he is a man of principal and conviction. I cannot understand why you would think that he isn't fully aware of the risks of war and all that entails. You are wrong wrong wrong that he decided to go to war just for political gain. I am all for going OUTSIDE our borders to keep from having to experience another tragedy like 911. I know I'll get allot of flack, but my opinion is that the world would be better served if more Arabs were converted to Christianity. Arab countries are a mess! Most of the world's terrorists are Arabs. Terrorists are cowards and thus worthless in my book.

[mr krinkle]

TimPoet If I need a ounce of clarity you would be the last one to ask.

AlwaysUp ,because you are from Texas perhaps you are scared to speak some truth about your fearless draft dodger.,,And Christianity? Are you kidding me? That religion is responsible for more wars than most others are.

[mr krinkle]

And Most of the world's terrorists are Arabs.

Not sure about that one,But what just happened in Iraq will likely make the world a more dangerous place and the USA will be even more hated.

[AlwaysUp]

Me thinks your alarmist and pessimistic views are in the minority.

[AlwaysUp]

Have YOU served in our armed forces? I have. I support your right to not enlist. Personally I would not want to be on a battlefield with an ostrich who thinks by doing nothing is somehow more safe that taking action. I could give a flip about how Arabs somehow might now be more apt to commit terroristic acts against us. They have always hated Americans. Up to this point we have taken our lumps with minor responses as is in the case of Clinton's enemic responce to an attempt on The senior Bush's life. BTW what branch did Clinton serve in?

[mr krinkle]

AlwaysUp I have served but slavery aint my game anymore,I see no need to pursue my or your military record. After every war we won the USA proclaims that it is the War to end all wars and the world is safer now..Sadly history is not on your side.

Who cares about Clinton or Bush?Both Scum..Our country is losing respect, losing our wealth, losing our moxie, Negative forces are attacking our country as we attack Iraq in our name, the name of America.

[AlwaysUp]

After every war we won the USA proclaims that it is the War to end all wars

Have heard this as a "quote"; not in my memory has this claim been made to any war since the First World War. Where do you get this garbage? Who are you quoting? Give us a source.

Who cares about Clinton or Bush?Both Scum..

You are half right.

Our country is losing respect, losing our wealth, losing our moxie

Respect...don't remember when we had more respect from within...look at the polls. I don't know about you but what WE think about us is more important than what the Russians, Germans, French, Koreans, you name it....think about us.

Wealth...nowhere are you blessed with the opportunities to build your personal wealth than here. At this time, look around the world and name a place where the economy is good. Thus are the times and cyclic trends....not anything ANY president has all that much control over.

Our country is losing respect, losing our wealth, losing our moxie

Moxie...Moxie, is a M1-A1 Abrams rolling up to the doorstep of a dictator's palace, politely knocking and deciding to check out the fridge.

Negative forces are attacking our country

I won't even touch that for fear of being inflamatory.

[AlwaysUp]

I find your listed occupation in your profile very informative.

[mr krinkle]

AlwaysUp you made my day and its still early,,thanks for the Big laugh!

[mr krinkle]

TimPoet,, please accept my humble apology.

The invasion of Iraq has nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction and everything to do with Global Conquest. Syria and Iran are possibly next in line as Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld threatened last week. The Neocons must be seen for what they truly are: lunatic hawks who are wrecking America's democratic and peaceful ideals.

[TimPoet]

Originally posted by mr krinkle TimPoet,, please accept my humble apology.

Uhm, what apology?

[Joeberg]

Here in NYC there were some large protests, although the protests fell more or less on deaf ears....Nothing much has really changed except the looks people give me when they find out I'm Palastinian...

[Braveheart]

I live in Scotland, and I have to say that the level of protests have all but ended. When the war first started there were many protests, but now that there are many scottish squadrons out there as part of the UK's portion of the coalition, protests have died and the country has rallied behind the scottish, and english contingients of the forces that our prime minister, Tony Blair, sent out to Iraq.

i think he has done a great job and it was the right thing to do.

the only regret i have is that our forces were not more involved in the liberation of baghdad, and had to act as a "mop up" team.

[whr2206]

Originally posted by oem_guy_2002 For the British support we are thankfull, especially since Primeminister Blair had put his neck on the line over this one and not back down, that shows courage. The UK has always been the strongest US ally, and it will not be forgotten i'm sure.

yeah, that took courage for Blair to support us...although im thankful he did.

I live in Virginia... umm the atmosphere here is pretty much the same. We've had a few support the troops rallies around here. ALso, our history class now basically debates whats going on in Iraq. Most people are in support of it here, but after different ideas about postwar iraq and how to go about setting up the government. Overall its positive... plenty have their flags out here... no major protests....

[NSS]

No one so far has posted from Seattle, so I'll share what it's like. I, as well as almost everyone I know is against the war. The day after war was declared, I as well as almost evertbody else in my highschool walked out and took part in the protests. About 10% of the schools students stayed. Most of them were undecided on the war.