chemicals Found

[Paul Victorey]

Originally posted by avx487 Ive seen like 2 documentaries where they have both stated that only 10-15% of the German poupulation was actually part of the Nazi Party...Hell I even think I tool a test with that question on it...This is why I hate school..its either wrong, against the genrerl knowledge, or exaggerated...why the hell did I got for 15yrs just to be minsinformed...?

Well, that's sort of true. I think they were referring to those people who made up the official party; the registered members. Just voting for the Nazi party didn't mean you were officially a member. I'd believe 15%-20% would be the officially members of the party, but in 1933 at least, they won 43.9% of the seats in the Reichstag by legitimate votes.

And who was "officially" a Nazi and who wasn't is also debatable. Once the Nazis were firmly in power, most people had no choice but to join the party if they wanted to work in Germany. 15% is probably the percentage of people who actively worked in the Nazi party pre-1933.

[Paul Victorey]

Oh, on the original topic, this smoking gun doesn't appear to be smoking after all -- the chemical found was a pesticide (makes sense, it was in an agricultural facility) and not a banned weapon. I mention this because it's funny, for how often the media will report on every rumor, how they never want to admit when they're wrong.

[TimPoet]

In actuality, we're not looking for a smoking gun. We wanted to prevent the assembly of a nuclear, biological and chemical gun, which this regime had one of (and used it to the death of thousands), and was rabidly seeking.
And we accomplished our mission, we've defanged the regime, now, there's Iran, N. Korea and possibly Syria next.

[mr krinkle]

LOL

[mr krinkle]

I am sorry, I could not help myself Tim.

[raftero]

its those if's that get you!!!!
germany would have won the war IF!!
the dog would have cought the rabbit IF he haden't stopped to take a crap.

So where are all of these WMD we went to war for? Secretary of State Colin L. Powell threatened sanctions on Syria if they defy US demand. Besides, the US has lifted sanctions on Iraq and we're just not happy unless we're starving somebody.

[WJWheels]

Originally posted by Jackblack So where are all of these WMD we went to war for? Secretary of State Colin L. Powell threatened sanctions on Syria if they defy US demand. Besides, the US has lifted sanctions on Iraq and we're just not happy unless we're starving somebody.

Who knows? Probably buried in Syria somewhere.. maybe in a bunker we haven't happened on yet. But so what? We know he had them cause he's used them in the past. There's a ton of evidence that they did exist, and that his armies had the training and protections to use them now. We've made the world a better place and gotten rid of a vile, threatening regime.

As they're saying in Iraq, "We Love Bush"!

[WJWheels]

Originally posted by TimPoet And we accomplished our mission, we've defanged the regime, now, there's Iran, N. Korea and possibly Syria next.

After reading Jackblack's and krinkle's posts Tim, maybe you better add IOWA to that list!

[Kubie]

After reading Jackblack's and krinkle's posts Tim, maybe you better add IOWA to that list!

Maybe the good, hardworking people moved out. You know the ones Wheels, good moral fibre, patriotic, etc.

Carl

[TimPoet]

let's be nice...

[WJWheels]

Originally posted by Kubie Maybe the good, hardworking people moved out. You know the ones Wheels, good moral fibre, patriotic, etc. Carl

Very true... I moved from Urbandale, IA about 12 years ago now.

[mr krinkle]

In Fact most Iowans are independent open minded folks as the majority of midwesterners are also ,,,As apposed to some in here who are partisan hacks who sadly only see things in Black and white.

But as Tim says play Nice kiddies!

[Kubie]

As Sarge's signature points out:
"Don't be so opened minded that your brains fall out".

Sadly, I see some here have had that happen to them.

Carl

[glc]

Moderator says "play nice kiddies" too..........

[mr krinkle]

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0422-03.htm

Good read here RE: the war and did Bush lie to us about it.

Of course all politicians lie.

[mr krinkle]

glc...No problem here. I feel you have been very fair about what is posted all in all considering how emotional the topics are.

[TimPoet]

Bush did not lie to us. We wanted to prevent the assembly of nuclear, biological and chemical WMDs, which this regime had one of (and used it to the death of thousands), and was rabidly seeking the others, especially nuclear. And Bush helped to rid our nation of the threat of another or worse September 11, a nuclear one. It doesn't matter if we do not find anything. Hussein was after them big time and would have gotten them and thus he posed an imminent danger to us, now he's defanged.
The honorable President Bush did his job.

[mr krinkle]

Tim I find that Bush is just about as honest an worthy as Dick Nixon and LBJ,They were both popular at one time also.

And its important to remember that the Arab world has seen a very different war than we have. They are seeing babies with limbs blown off, children wailing beside their dead mothers, Arab journalists killed by American tanks and bombers, holy men hacked to death and dragged through the streets. They are seeing American forces leaving behind a wake of destruction, looting, hunger, humiliation and chaos.

[TimPoet]

The destruction is minimal, the looting and chaos is short-lived, the humiliation is on the former regime and the hunger is being fed.
What the Arab people are really seeing is the greatest power on earth being successful at what Arabs respect: brute force, albeit in the most humane manner a war has ever been prosecuted. If not for our willingness to spend ten times the money and effort to avoid collateral damage there would be destruction far, far worse, a thousand times worse.
What they are seeing is US military success and they are interpreting it in a way that tells them they better start listening to this now-awake giant whom the terrorists aroused.

[mr krinkle]

Tim I just dont see things in that light man sorry,And as one who saw Gulf War#1 in person I can tell you that you must not trust what the Pentagon tells you about what really happens.

And we must remember that it only took several people to bomb OKC and a handful to crash into the towers.,The World is no safer than before Tim but far be it for me to attempt to change your mind.

[TimPoet]

I'm not listening to the Pentagon. And as far as changing my mind, you have no worries there.