Did Bush Deceive Us in His Rush to War?

[avx]

I live in a dream world...Wheres this dream world of horrible actions taken on the US because of 9-11 you guys talked about for the 2 months leading up to the war??

I just dont over complicate things to the high hills...In my mind, things are very simple...We get attacked, we crush the attackers. We win a war with low casulities...I consider that a win all the same...when did the victory of a war start to lie 10 or 15 yrs into the future??? We win...there is no negative reprecutions...we got billions and billions of dollars at our disposal now. Think what you want, but thats the truth...

How come all of a sudden it is concidered dillusional of me to think because we destroyed the oppsing army and we there hasnt been a terrorist attack on the US since 9-11 that we should all be happy??? Or that we did indeed "win" the war...I cant be happy? I cant think "Thanks god now we can start seeing some soldiers come home" No No No....Im craxy, Im a lunatic...I dont even know who spit on Saddam shoes 30 yrs ago so of course I do not know the whole story, and I cant possibly have a logical view about whats going on...Well when I see this dillusional workd of you guys where this will be nothing but bad, and were all gonna die, and its the end of the world, and the econmy is gonna crash, this is horrible omg omg omg omg omg...we MUST PORTEST!

oK, when I see it...Ill say you guys were right...until then...Ill stay in my own little world

[Paul Victorey]

You're right, we SHOULD celebrate. After all, the hardest part about Iraq was defeating the nearly invincible Iraqi army. Compared to that challenge, the little task of rebuilding a society that's spent a century on the brink of civil war and genocide is easy. Making three parties that mutually hate each other agree to work together is child's play now that we've defeated the most powerful force in the known universe, the Army of Iraq.

And we attacked a nation that is of the same ethnicity as some people who attacked us, bravo! We believed they had weapons of mass destruction, but all these weapons are unaccounted for, so we have weapons of an unknown number and unknown capability that we can't find, which are somewhere in a region in which upwards of 3/4 of the population hates us -- I feel safer already! Who cares that we make more and more people hate us, it's not like they can strike back at us through terrorism or anything.

[avx]

A war is a war...You guys are the ones who said they were gonna use all these chem weapons the soldiers...we always knew it was agonna be an easy win...

You guys are also the ones who called Bush a liar, so why are you surprised there are no weapons found?? I didnt expect to find more than some soda pop and B.O....

[Paul Victorey]

No, I said the war would be a piece of cake from the beginning, I said the aftermath would be the real test. And I never expected we'd find much in the way of chemical weapons either. I expect we'll find some small amount, maybe, but given the kind of "evidence" we had before the war, it's not surprising we're not finding much.

I never thought the war would be hard to win, I just think it wasn't in the best interests either of the US or the Iraqi people; I think this war will do more harm than good to both groups.

[alan]

As I stated in ForumClicks site, we can use any reason to go to war. It does not have to be good. Hell, wars have been fought over land, insults and women. As long as we win, who cares

[avx]

I agree with you Paul...this war is gonna be bad for US and Iraq..we will just lose money, and they will continure to tear themselves apart...I say get out now and let them...

[Paul Victorey]

It's a little late to leave well enough alone. To leave now would be the worst choice; we never should have entered the war, but since we did, we have no choice but to see this thing through to the end, because pulling out immediately would be the worst thing we could do.

[avx]

Why does it not surprise me that...Just because we are the United States that in every conversation, ever situation, and every condition, wi will lose, and not 1 person will be happy...No matter what we do...we always lose...Everyone hates us, we do everything wrong....

Food for thought...If we are doing everything wrong, and everyone else is obviously doing everything right...then why are we the supernation???

[TimPoet]

We are the supernation because of our founding fathers, good old conservatism and God's blessing.

[Paul Victorey]

Originally posted by avx487 Why does it not surprise me that...Just because we are the United States that in every conversation, ever situation, and every condition, wi will lose, and not 1 person will be happy...No matter what we do...we always lose...Everyone hates us, we do everything wrong.... Food for thought...If we are doing everything wrong, and everyone else is obviously doing everything right...then why are we the supernation???

No, we've won in many places, but that doesn't mean we're infinitely powerful in all areas, and until we recognize that there are problems that we can't solve, we'll constantly have problems.

I think we're the superpower at the moment for many reasons. Firstly, we have a prime piece of real estate -- large, with coastlines on both major oceans. We have an excellent amount of resources, both minerals and fertile land for agriculture. And we're sandwiched in between only two countries, neither of which has been hostile to us for more than a century.

We also rode the coattails of the industrial revolution in Europe, rapidly industrializing many areas of our country. We had a bloody civil war, but it ended reasonably fast (compared to civil wars in other nations).

We really rose to power during WW1, because we could have wartime production without having any fighting on our own soil. Thus we had a massive productivity increase without having to deal with attacks on our own soil. Same in WW2, which increased the gap between us and other nations.

Since then, we've maintained our position by economics. Our economy has been large and reasonably robust for recent years, so we have the money to devote to R&D work, even though R&D doesn't have a consistent payoff.

[doctorgonzo]

We won't be the supernation forever. It hasn't happened in history yet and there is no evidence that the U.S. is somehow immune. The question now is the manner in which we will leave superpower status. We can either slowly, and comparatively painlessly, shrink from superpower status and just become one power near the top, but not strong enough to be a superpower. Or we can keep on going, like the Nasdaq, until our bubble bursts and we are swallowed up from all sides.

Remember, those so-called "surrender monkeys" in France were a superpower. The sun never set on the British Empire for a long time. The former Soviet Union has gone from superpower to near-third world country in 15 years. Greeks, Romans, Ottomans...you can go on and on.

[Paul Victorey]

Actually, there IS one nation that has, except for a brief period, been a superpower for millenia, and that would be China. Except for the past 400 years, they were the dominant military, cultural, scientific, economic, and technological superpower for 4,000 years. For most of recorded history, they were centuries if not millenia more advanced than any other nation on Earth.

And they are rising again. Ever since Deng Xioping, they have been on a continuous trend away from a communist economy and transforming into a free market economy. They may soon surpass the US economically and be the dominant superpower within this century. They historically have been a nation with superb scholars, warriors, and inventors, and they are currently seeking to reclaim that past. It will probably happen, too; it's already been happening for a long time.