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09-04-2002, 09:01 PM
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ie vs netscape navigator
A friend has started using netscape instead of ie. He is trying to talk me into switching to netscape. I really dont have any problems with ie. Is there any difference between them. would like any advice from you guys . Thanks. I am running ie 6.0 win 2000.
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09-05-2002, 10:50 AM
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netscape is terrible, as a webdesigner i'd like to take whoever created netscape and put their heads thru a giant Delta fan spinning at 10000rpm+. Please stay away from it. If you MUST try another browser, use Opera.
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09-05-2002, 11:19 AM
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Mozilla is Netscape without all the garbage.
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09-05-2002, 11:20 AM
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Stick with IE. IE is more widely accepted so you'll find more sites are designed with IE in mind. I also design Web sites and I get sick of trying to make stuff work how it should in Netscape. Like 9600baud says....if you must try something else...try Opera.
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09-06-2002, 01:12 PM
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Why not installing them all? Then you can decide, all are free.
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09-06-2002, 02:08 PM
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the latest (stable) mozilla reads IE skewed sites fine. IMO its renderer is faster. It seems to handle ftp, and gopher (does anyone even use this anymore?) A LOT better than IE does. The downside is plugins. Though most work- mpeg and other media, flash and shockwave- there are a good deal (though ever rarer) that simply aren't there. Mozilla is a wonderful, stable Netscape-like option with IE speed. HTH.
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09-06-2002, 03:03 PM
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IE for speed. Mozilla for fun. All else is crap, or just fancy faux frontage for IE.
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09-06-2002, 06:00 PM
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I agree IE is universal and works well. I also have Mozilla 1.1 which I like but I haven't had time to make it work with all of my mouse functions.
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09-07-2002, 03:32 AM
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The only reason IE is universal is because it comes with Windows. Don't anyone try to tell me that it complies with W3C standards - Microsoft thumbs their nose at any standards except the ones they set.
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09-07-2002, 08:20 AM
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I'm with glc -- IE is about as far from W3C standard as it gets. Where as Mozilla 1.+ and Netscape 7 are 100% W3C compliant (as is Opera).
Coders that code exclusivly for IE should have their heads stuck to a giant Delta fan and HS so they can cool down a bit and realize that there are plenty of us who use Mozilla/Netscape/Opera and would like to see sites that are W3C compliant -- not M$ tag compliant. -Craig |
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09-07-2002, 08:43 AM
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Hi suenbob2,
Before AOL took over Netscape, I loved it, and that was all I used. This means version 4.x and earlier. Netscape 6 was so buggie and terible, I took it off my machine within a week. I haven't tried V 7 yet do to the problems with V 6. TwoRails |
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09-07-2002, 12:56 PM
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I won't even think of looking at Netscape 7 due to the AOL bloat, but I do have Mozilla 1.1 on my system and it's pretty nice. My browser of choice is Opera.
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09-07-2002, 10:04 PM
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IE may not be as well written as it should be, I'll have to take your word for it because I don't know. But I've had fewer problems with it than any other browser. I like th Mozilla very much as well. I would make the switch If I could figure out how to make my mouse features work with it. I really like the tabbed interface. I may spring for Opera and check it out as well. I think their free version is ad supported.
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09-08-2002, 02:10 PM
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Stick with IE 6.0
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09-08-2002, 07:23 PM
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I alsoprefered Netscape over IE, before AOL took over. I had problems with Netscape 6.0 and removed it. I currently use IE 6.0, Netscape 4.79, and Mozilla. The only times I use IE is when Netscape nor Mozilla will load a page properly (normally a Microsoft site).
I haven't tried Opera yet, but have thought about it/ |
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09-08-2002, 07:35 PM
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Ok has any of you tried Crazy Browser ? It has tab veiwing and ad blocking etc... I'm just curious of your opinons.
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09-08-2002, 11:35 PM
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Crazy Browser is just a shell for IE.
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09-08-2002, 11:40 PM
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I prefer IE, but I have Netscape too. Never tried Opera or Mozilla. They sound interesting, tho.
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09-09-2002, 11:30 AM
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I don't want to start a war here - but I would really like to hear a good answer. Let me also say that I am not a web designer or a programmer, what I know about HTML is probably less than quite a few of you have forgotten. However, I would like to hear from you web designers - WHY are you not writing "browser-neutral" W3C-compliant code when you design websites? The only good answer (well, "good" can be debated, but anyway) I can come up with so far is because you prefer to develop with Front Page. Is it because you can do MORE with IE-specific code - or is it because IE has a hard time with W3C?
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09-09-2002, 12:31 PM
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I design my web sites with IE in mind. I used to try and make the sites compatible with IE and Netscape but it was a major pain trying to get things to work like I wanted to in both browsers.
The sites that I design are normally for businesses that target the general public most of which is not highly into trying the latest and greatest download browser. In other words, they use what comes with their PC which is IE. A lot of them think Mozilla is Godzilla's arch enemy. However, I do keep my sites simple and straight to the point because I'm not ignorant. I do realize that there are people using Opera and Mozilla and more often than not, the things I design will also work just fine in those browsers. |
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09-09-2002, 08:29 PM
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i would like to thank everone for there thoughts. I learned a few things.I'll probly stick with ie because there isnt that much difference that i can see an i dont like aol.
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09-09-2002, 10:55 PM
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AOL's browser is actually IE inside the buttugly AOL shell.
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09-10-2002, 01:05 AM
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Actually, I heard scuttle of AOL moving to Netscape. Which kinda makes sense. I am a disciple of Netscape. I also use WordPerfect and command line programs. Why? Because I lived before Microsoft became the unofficial standard.
Netscape had the only good 128-bit encryption capable browser out for a while, I think. But, companies moved to IE because Netscape was not networkable without a bunch of work. That has changed with 6, but I never tried 6 because 4.7 was fine with me. IE offers some quick cheap programming hacks since it is integrated in the shell, but also contains some absolutely horrible security leaks since it is integrated in the shell. I cannot tolerate people who code to a specific browser or platform. It shows a complete lack of competence or effort on their part. Besides, every Microsoft language has bad style. Respectfully, Demosthenes |
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09-10-2002, 07:15 AM
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It's all simple economics. You start by programming with the most amount of people in mind. This case, the businesses that I work for, target your average everyday Joe who buy their PC and uses what is on it. IE. Try explaining to a local photography studio that has trouble even setting up their internet connection that you are going to program their web site so it works great in Opera and Mozilla. They may not be so eager to hand their money over to you.
That being said, I do glance at them in Netscape so I know that they don't completely blow up but I start by programming with IE in mind and if something doesn't work exactly right in Netscape the cost / time factor plus the effect that I'm going for has to be determined. And like I mentioned before, if you keep it simple and straight forward, generally, it'll work on all platforms. |
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09-10-2002, 11:56 AM
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I use Mozilla in my linux box, and ie on my xp box, and I like Mo better, but leave ie in the xp box due nativeness and other reasons.
Soon I will only use the linux box for web stuff and the xp box will be for games only. Umm, if the gui in xp/2k is in ring 0 (since nt3.something), then any malicious code that gets thru by way of ie can do nasty stuff, right? Is that what a lot of the patches for ie are about? |
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09-12-2002, 02:31 PM
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I prefer netscape for the profile manager. It is hassle free when four people are using the net. I use 4.79 because the newer versions will crash constantly. If IE had the profile manager I would switch!
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09-16-2002, 03:20 PM
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i use Ie 5.5, mostly cause like i've read above, Its there.... 90% or greater use Ie so why waste your time coding for the others? I also do use netscape, but only version 4.0, and really only when IE screws up majorly on some website, and that is pretty rare. I wish websites would CUT down on the amount of GFX they protray anymore, i loged onto the web one day with 56k and was amazed how long it takes anymore to load jus 2 or 3 main pages of current websites, i was watchin it and it had recieved atleast 1meg with jus 10min of browsing on 56k, Compress YOUR jpeg images WEBSITE authors heh, don't leavem on 1% compression or somthing, jus for the minute clarity it will give. Its hell for 56k users, thankfully i'm not one of
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