Critique/Help

[Vigo]

http://www.originalfake.com/site.html

I know nobody likes frames, but I find them simple and easy to use- and more importantly, effective.

The main page was loaded with JS scripts (moving backgrounds, snow effects and music pulldowns) but one of the frames was taking too long to load. I fear they still might be taking to long to load for dial up users but my pool of dial up user buddies is thin.

What really ticks me off about that page is the way the frames load. They don't load even close to simaltaneous...

And if that page is a headache this one's even worse.

http://www.funepages.originalfake.com/pictures.html

No frames- tables and div layers only. Not a single image is more than a couple Kb and yet it takes forever to load. (Dial up users tell me 30 seconds to a minute and a half). The js menu buttons on the left are about 1.5Kb each and they seem to be the real bandwidth clogs... I don't think its any of the images, so why is the code taking so long to execute?

I thought it was the js image rotator but that comes up first for them...

JS seems to be a dial-up nightmare... I would have coded everything in flash if I thought pages were going to load so slowly this way...

[scifiguy1]

first one loaded in under thiry seconds.....
second one i gave up on.......

dial up connection 56k


Dick

[Vigo]

I have the feeling I need to just chuck all the js...

[Force Flow]

Try using tables instead of frames. Frames just cause no end of problems.

[Vigo]

The second link (the one that takes considerably longer) uses tables and div layers. No frames. Ive been cleaning code and reducing jpg/gif/png images for 2 days... been getting improvements here and there... but the pages fly when I remove the JS. Don't think I'll be using it much now... I was using it because I thought it would load quicker than flash and php... the other way I go!

[Sunday Silence]

Frames have there place...you need to ask yourself why or why not use them. Hope that did'nt sound silly.

What are you trying to acomoplish?

[Vigo]

Frames do indeed have their place even though people dislike them because search engines have trouble picking them up (which by the way is easy to solve if you just make a simple intro page to ping).

I think I'm going to break apart the subdomain (second link) into frames... I finally got on a comp with dial up to view it myself and I notice that the js script for the side menu is so slow that the mouse over itself takes like 4 seconds to change... even though the graphics are preloaded. And each graphic is around 500 bytes so its just over 1Kb for each menu name. Doesnt make sense...

But if I break it up into frames and the menu gets its own frame not only should will it load quicker but it will only have to load once. It'll take me a while to edit the 30 or so pages that are already set up (as well as breaking apart the images so i can join them over the top and left frame) but I'm hoping that speeds up loading...

The second link's page is just ridiculous though because of the js picture scroller. Took a full minute to load on so-so dial up... Guess that'll have to go as well.