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comp builder · 12-30-2003, 08:05 PM

hey, if anyone is reading this, i need help. I want to find a cheap copy of the programming language C#, but all the internet searches i perform end up with books and reveiws, or just nothing. i've already checked e-bay, and i'm getting desperate. if anyone can help me, pls do!

revelation · 12-30-2003, 08:51 PM

I just bought this from this site:
http://www.creationengine.com/
I bought the Academic Edition of Visual Studio. I then bought a book to teach myself...Programming in the Key of C#. I learned C++ in a College class and this helped me get a good start.

comp builder · 12-30-2003, 08:58 PM

is visual studio just for graphic deseign, or is it just a fancy name for the same thing, a programming language? I've been thinking that it is a very diferent type of program. I've seen that book you mentioned, how much was it?

comp builder · 12-30-2003, 09:04 PM

i've never really taken anything on programming... i'm only an eighth grader, but i'm into the building thing. All I want is some thing where i enter code like:
IF X=1
THEN
PRINT "Good job"
ELSE PRINT "Failure"
END PROGRAM

and then get stuff coming out. All i really want, honestly, is to start learning how to build video games while i'm not as old as most on this site and have alot of skill aqt your age.

revelation · 12-31-2003, 06:31 AM

Hey! Was that a pot shot at us "old" men? You are to be commended for wanting to learn what you can while these things come easy. I am just learning this stuff now and it is surprising how much I have to dust off the old Algebra hidden in the back of my brain somewhere.

Maybe you could start with Java. The IDE is free (Java Beans), just go to the Sun site and download it. C# is kind of a cross between C++ and Java. It has a lot of the syntax of both (mostly C++). There are many good books out there for someone new to Java or C#. I buy books from Amazon or from Barnes and Noble.

Advice (for what it is worth): while you are still in school, get all of the math that you can. Maybe your school is not offering the programming class you may want to learn, but the math wil pay big time when you get to learning anything related to computers.

doctorgonzo · 12-31-2003, 08:04 AM

You have several options, some of which are free.

First, you can buy the Academic Version of Visual Studio.NET if you are a student. This is a full IDE, and it comes with several programming languages, such as Visual Basic, Visual C++, and C#. If you get the Academic Version, then it will cost you around $90.

You can download the .NET SDK from M$ for free. This just includes the compilers and libraries. You would write your source code in something like Notepad and then compile it into executables. This is not as easy or convenient as using an IDE, and you probably aren't going to be able to do anything complicated with it, but it's a start.

You can also download free non-M$ IDEs. NetBeans for Java is good. Dev-C++ for C++ is also good.

There are many tutorials for all languages on the 'net. You don't necessarily need to buy a book.

revelation · 12-31-2003, 09:31 AM

I just remembered too that there is a free IDE that the author of the book "Programming in the Key of C#" wrote. He mentions this in his book. It is a good book for a beginner (like me) and does not assume that the reader is a seasoned programmer. You can find the SDK at the site doctorgonzo referred to, and you can find the free IDE here:
http://www.charlespetzold.com and navigate to the Programming in the Key of C# page.

comp builder · 12-31-2003, 12:10 PM

sorry about the "old" crack. what i meant was that i was too young for a college course, or even a high choll course, in computers. I don't even know what you guys mean by "IDE". if one of you could tell me, that would be great. also if the packet of that many things is that much money, could i get C# alone for alot less? if so, pls tell me where. I also know that book of programming, i saw it at books-a-million and it seemed really good to me.

Ohh, anyone here play "Dungeon Seige: Legends of Aranna"?

doctorgonzo · 12-31-2003, 12:18 PM

IDE: Integrated Development Environment. Basically, a program that lets you code more easily. All you need to code is something like Notepad and a compiler, but an IDE is easier to work with because you can use it to tweak compiler options, keep track of variables, automatically check syntax, expand commands, and so forth.

I don't think you can get C# alone for less. Believe me, $90 is cheap compared to what you would be paying for the full Enterprise Edition of Visual Studio.NET

comp builder · 12-31-2003, 12:21 PM

thanks for the help. i checked a different search on google, and found a copy of C# for only $87, but if one is free, i'll go for that. Do you need to have C# to use the IDE?

doctorgonzo · 12-31-2003, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by comp builder
thanks for the help. i checked a different search on google, and found a copy of C# for only $87, but if one is free, i'll go for that. Do you need to have C# to use the IDE?

What you are buying from M$ is the IDE.

C# is a programming language. To compile programs written in C#, all you need is a complier, and you can download that for free from from M$ in the .NET SDK. What you are paying money for is the C# IDE. It comes with everything that you need, including the compiler. But you don't need the IDE to write programs in C#.

comp builder · 12-31-2003, 12:32 PM

thanks for all the help. I'm going for the $87 copy of C# i found on google (If i can find it again). Thanks for all the help.

comp builder · 12-31-2003, 05:01 PM

hey, i just got the "programming in the key of C#", and now i need a compiler... any suggestions?

Dade · 12-31-2003, 05:40 PM

Here, I use this IDE in my programming classfor both programming and compiling in C++, and it seems to work fairly well. I don't know if it is compatible w/ C#, but I guess you could give it a shot if nothing else works...

Here's the FAQ/troubleshooting for it:

http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs.html

And here's the FTP site for it:

http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/

So yeah, it's called Emacs, in case you haven't yet figured it out...

Dade · 12-31-2003, 05:44 PM

Ah, here. I had forgotten about Borland...it is very reliable and has great FAQs/Tech support if you ever need them. These are actually FOR C#, so they will probably be more useful than my previous post ^_^

http://www.borland.com/products/down...rpbuilder.html

Hope this helps!

comp builder · 12-31-2003, 07:36 PM

ahh thanks, but i was planning on the IDE from the book, but i'll try these. What i need is the compiler, not the IDE. Thanks, and if you have any sites with cheap C# compilers (I'm told the compiler is what you need to pay for) i would appreciate it even more.

Dade · 01-02-2004, 10:04 AM

Ah yea, I'm sorry. The actual compiler is called cygwin. Now, we got all these progs and IDE's and stuff from my teacher, so I dunno if it's free or whatnot.

If you have ever used Linux before, it basically simulates the console window. Kinda like a DOS prompt.....

http://www.knowing.net/tools.html

Try that. I dunno how reliable these compilers are, but I guess you can try them out. I mean...they're free ^_^

comp builder · 01-04-2004, 03:45 PM

thanks but i just bought a compiler for c# and it should arrive soon. i mean i got the microsft visual basic.NET standard. but thenks for the help

comp builder · 01-04-2004, 03:47 PM

hey, this is off topic but my comp just dosen't want to work. we turn it on and the monitor won't get a signal, the fan and lights turn on, and the power won't respond the front bottuon. any help you guys can give me?

Dade · 01-04-2004, 06:01 PM

Uhh...if the power doesn't respond, then the fan/lights shouldn't turn on, methinks. I don't know nearly as much as others on the forums, but try unplugging everything and plugging back in...

But anything other than that is beyond me

Go to the other threads that are for this type of question, you'll get your answer alot faster, I imagine

comp builder · 01-05-2004, 10:22 AM

we fixed it already, but thanks anyway.

Doobie · 01-05-2004, 11:39 AM

http://www.icsharpcode.net/OpenSource/SD/Default.aspx

Quote:

#develop (short for SharpDevelop) is a free IDE for C# and VB.NET projects on Microsoft's .NET platform. It is open-source (GPL), and you can download both sourcecode and executables from this site. In addition, you can find the latest information and changes on #develop, as well as get in touch with the team in the forum.

comp builder · 01-11-2004, 07:28 PM

i've got a ton of places to get free ide's and compilers, but i have no way of knowing how to make it go and get me into the ide file so i can make my files. Please help!

Sunday Silence · 01-13-2004, 04:32 AM

Doobie nice resource thanks so much.

Doobie · 01-13-2004, 01:19 PM

No problem... good to know it was helpfull.

comp builder · 02-27-2004, 06:14 PM

hey. Sorry i haven't been online in awhile. I got C#.NET with VisualC#.Net, Delux learning ed. from ebay. I got it for a steal, all only $20, and it had notghing but two holes in the srink wrap!

comp builder · 02-27-2004, 06:15 PM

hey, anyone know where i can find free games in C# to decompile and learn from? i may learn it from my book, but i would prefer to learn froma ready-made game program.

TheJackal · 02-27-2004, 06:47 PM

Try here:

http://www.code4u.com

comp builder · 03-09-2004, 07:16 PM

ok, this is going back, but i've some of the start of this post area. What kind of math should i take, anyway? i know that college has alot of this stuuf, and it include calculus, statistics, ect. Wghich should i takle when i get there?

TheJackal · 03-10-2004, 09:49 PM

You might want to start a new thread in General Discussion as you will get more replies there.

12-30-2003, 08:05 PM	#1
comp builder Member (5 bit) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 30	buying C# hey, if anyone is reading this, i need help. I want to find a cheap copy of the programming language C#, but all the internet searches i perform end up with books and reveiws, or just nothing. i've already checked e-bay, and i'm getting desperate. if anyone can help me, pls do! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-30-2003, 08:51 PM	#2
revelation Member (8 bit) Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Florida Posts: 237	I just bought this from this site: http://www.creationengine.com/ I bought the Academic Edition of Visual Studio. I then bought a book to teach myself...Programming in the Key of C#. I learned C++ in a College class and this helped me get a good start. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-30-2003, 08:58 PM	#3
comp builder Member (5 bit) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 30	is visual studio just for graphic deseign, or is it just a fancy name for the same thing, a programming language? I've been thinking that it is a very diferent type of program. I've seen that book you mentioned, how much was it? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-30-2003, 09:04 PM	#4
comp builder Member (5 bit) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 30	i've never really taken anything on programming... i'm only an eighth grader, but i'm into the building thing. All I want is some thing where i enter code like: IF X=1 THEN PRINT "Good job" ELSE PRINT "Failure" END PROGRAM and then get stuff coming out. All i really want, honestly, is to start learning how to build video games while i'm not as old as most on this site and have alot of skill aqt your age. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-31-2003, 06:31 AM	#5
revelation Member (8 bit) Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Florida Posts: 237	Hey! Was that a pot shot at us "old" men? You are to be commended for wanting to learn what you can while these things come easy. I am just learning this stuff now and it is surprising how much I have to dust off the old Algebra hidden in the back of my brain somewhere. Maybe you could start with Java. The IDE is free (Java Beans), just go to the Sun site and download it. C# is kind of a cross between C++ and Java. It has a lot of the syntax of both (mostly C++). There are many good books out there for someone new to Java or C#. I buy books from Amazon or from Barnes and Noble. Advice (for what it is worth): while you are still in school, get all of the math that you can. Maybe your school is not offering the programming class you may want to learn, but the math wil pay big time when you get to learning anything related to computers. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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12-31-2003, 08:04 AM	#6
doctorgonzo Professional gadfly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 6,364	You have several options, some of which are free. First, you can buy the Academic Version of Visual Studio.NET if you are a student. This is a full IDE, and it comes with several programming languages, such as Visual Basic, Visual C++, and C#. If you get the Academic Version, then it will cost you around $90. You can download the .NET SDK from M$ for free. This just includes the compilers and libraries. You would write your source code in something like Notepad and then compile it into executables. This is not as easy or convenient as using an IDE, and you probably aren't going to be able to do anything complicated with it, but it's a start. You can also download free non-M$ IDEs. NetBeans for Java is good. Dev-C++ for C++ is also good. There are many tutorials for all languages on the 'net. You don't necessarily need to buy a book. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-31-2003, 09:31 AM	#7
revelation Member (8 bit) Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Florida Posts: 237	I just remembered too that there is a free IDE that the author of the book "Programming in the Key of C#" wrote. He mentions this in his book. It is a good book for a beginner (like me) and does not assume that the reader is a seasoned programmer. You can find the SDK at the site doctorgonzo referred to, and you can find the free IDE here: http://www.charlespetzold.com and navigate to the Programming in the Key of C# page. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-31-2003, 12:10 PM	#8
comp builder Member (5 bit) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 30	sorry about the "old" crack. what i meant was that i was too young for a college course, or even a high choll course, in computers. I don't even know what you guys mean by "IDE". if one of you could tell me, that would be great. also if the packet of that many things is that much money, could i get C# alone for alot less? if so, pls tell me where. I also know that book of programming, i saw it at books-a-million and it seemed really good to me. Ohh, anyone here play "Dungeon Seige: Legends of Aranna"? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-31-2003, 12:18 PM	#9
doctorgonzo Professional gadfly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 6,364	IDE: Integrated Development Environment. Basically, a program that lets you code more easily. All you need to code is something like Notepad and a compiler, but an IDE is easier to work with because you can use it to tweak compiler options, keep track of variables, automatically check syntax, expand commands, and so forth. I don't think you can get C# alone for less. Believe me, $90 is cheap compared to what you would be paying for the full Enterprise Edition of Visual Studio.NET Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-31-2003, 12:21 PM	#10
comp builder Member (5 bit) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 30	thanks for the help. i checked a different search on google, and found a copy of C# for only $87, but if one is free, i'll go for that. Do you need to have C# to use the IDE? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-31-2003, 12:32 PM	#12
comp builder Member (5 bit) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 30	thanks for all the help. I'm going for the $87 copy of C# i found on google (If i can find it again). Thanks for all the help. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-31-2003, 05:01 PM	#13
comp builder Member (5 bit) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 30	hey, i just got the "programming in the key of C#", and now i need a compiler... any suggestions? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-31-2003, 05:40 PM	#14
Dade Member (3 bit) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Chardon OH Posts: 7	Here, I use this IDE in my programming classfor both programming and compiling in C++, and it seems to work fairly well. I don't know if it is compatible w/ C#, but I guess you could give it a shot if nothing else works... Here's the FAQ/troubleshooting for it: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs.html And here's the FTP site for it: http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/ So yeah, it's called Emacs, in case you haven't yet figured it out... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-31-2003, 05:44 PM	#15
Dade Member (3 bit) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Chardon OH Posts: 7	Ah, here. I had forgotten about Borland...it is very reliable and has great FAQs/Tech support if you ever need them. These are actually FOR C#, so they will probably be more useful than my previous post ^_^ http://www.borland.com/products/down...rpbuilder.html Hope this helps! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-31-2003, 07:36 PM	#16
comp builder Member (5 bit) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 30	ahh thanks, but i was planning on the IDE from the book, but i'll try these. What i need is the compiler, not the IDE. Thanks, and if you have any sites with cheap C# compilers (I'm told the compiler is what you need to pay for) i would appreciate it even more. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-02-2004, 10:04 AM	#17
Dade Member (3 bit) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Chardon OH Posts: 7	Ah yea, I'm sorry. The actual compiler is called cygwin. Now, we got all these progs and IDE's and stuff from my teacher, so I dunno if it's free or whatnot. If you have ever used Linux before, it basically simulates the console window. Kinda like a DOS prompt..... http://www.knowing.net/tools.html Try that. I dunno how reliable these compilers are, but I guess you can try them out. I mean...they're free ^_^ Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-04-2004, 03:45 PM	#18
comp builder Member (5 bit) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 30	thanks but i just bought a compiler for c# and it should arrive soon. i mean i got the microsft visual basic.NET standard. but thenks for the help Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-04-2004, 03:47 PM	#19
comp builder Member (5 bit) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 30	hey, this is off topic but my comp just dosen't want to work. we turn it on and the monitor won't get a signal, the fan and lights turn on, and the power won't respond the front bottuon. any help you guys can give me? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-04-2004, 06:01 PM	#20
Dade Member (3 bit) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Chardon OH Posts: 7	Uhh...if the power doesn't respond, then the fan/lights shouldn't turn on, methinks. I don't know nearly as much as others on the forums, but try unplugging everything and plugging back in... But anything other than that is beyond me Go to the other threads that are for this type of question, you'll get your answer alot faster, I imagine Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-05-2004, 10:22 AM	#21
comp builder Member (5 bit) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 30	we fixed it already, but thanks anyway. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-11-2004, 07:28 PM	#23
comp builder Member (5 bit) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 30	i've got a ton of places to get free ide's and compilers, but i have no way of knowing how to make it go and get me into the ide file so i can make my files. Please help! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-13-2004, 04:32 AM	#24
Sunday Silence Member (6 bit) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chicago, Illinois USA Posts: 46	Doobie nice resource thanks so much. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-13-2004, 01:19 PM	#25
Doobie Member (11 bit) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mexico Posts: 1,049	No problem... good to know it was helpfull. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

02-27-2004, 06:14 PM	#26
comp builder Member (5 bit) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 30	hey. Sorry i haven't been online in awhile. I got C#.NET with VisualC#.Net, Delux learning ed. from ebay. I got it for a steal, all only $20, and it had notghing but two holes in the srink wrap! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

02-27-2004, 06:15 PM	#27
comp builder Member (5 bit) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 30	hey, anyone know where i can find free games in C# to decompile and learn from? i may learn it from my book, but i would prefer to learn froma ready-made game program. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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02-27-2004, 06:47 PM	#28
TheJackal Member (11 bit) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 1,054	Try here: http://www.code4u.com Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

03-09-2004, 07:16 PM	#29
comp builder Member (5 bit) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 30	ok, this is going back, but i've some of the start of this post area. What kind of math should i take, anyway? i know that college has alot of this stuuf, and it include calculus, statistics, ect. Wghich should i takle when i get there? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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