My First Time: The "ENUM KEY" Trick w/Win98SE

[Kubie]

I have read and reread the Enum key trick on the "TipsnTricks" forum and I want to make sure I have all my ducks in a row.
I will be removing a Epox 8K7A and AMD T-Bird w/DDR ram and replacing it with a Intel D815EPEA mobo and a Plll 1gig and PC133 ram.
First thing is to copy the .CAB files to C: from the WIN98se disk.
Second thing is to Delete the ENUM key from the registry and then shut down.

Make the changeover using the out-of-the box method.

If everything is ok, put box together, F2 to the BIOS, make the necessary changes for the fsb, cpu, etc.

Follow up with mobo drivers and other hardware drivers.

Did I miss anything?

TIA
Carl

[HAL9000]

I think you pretty well have it covered Kubie. You may run into an instance where a device tries to install, but you need the CD and the IDE drivers haven't installed yet, no biggie, just hit cancel and worry about it after.

[Kubie]

Hal,
Thank you!
Its my son's pc and he has very important files he would rather leave on the HDD.
When I told him about the ENUM key, he was all ears and wants to proceed.
Carl

[ktkendall]

I've even had success before I read that tip, by booting into safe mode and removing everything from the device manager, restart 1 more time into safe mode and checking device manager 1 more time then shutting down, replacing MOBO and turn on sys. I think the enum does esentially the same thing just much easier, quicker and efficiently!

[reboot]

Yup, ktkendall has it right. Removing everything in device manager manually (in safe mode) does the same thing as erasing the enum key.
Once you do the first restart with the new hardware, there may be things that need a CD to install. You can safely hit cancel and keep going, until you get to the desktop.
Check device mangler then, and update any drivers you couldn't load the first time.
It takes longer to explain than it does to do it.

[RayH]

You DON'T have to delete anything for the Enum Trick to work. Just have the .CAB files on the hard drive--another partition or another physical drive is OK also--when you boot up on the new board.

It will be immensely simpler if you also include on the hard drive, the new drivers on the hard drive. Just put those files on the hard drive before shut down also.

No need to delete anything before shut down. When you reboot with the new mobo, the installation will plug and play.

First, you will be asked for the location of the .CAB files for the keyboard. Just browse and point to the folder with the .CAB files.

Next, it will ask for the location of the drivers for each of the plug and play devices it finds. Just browse and point to the respective folders and files.

The whole thing will take about seven minutes. The computer should be the same as it was before the swap.

[reboot]

RayH. Because of immeasurable problems people have had simply swapping a motherboard/cpu around, we have all recommended the "Enum key" trick. It works. We recommend it for a reason, one based on hours of frustration and loss of hair.
If you have been successful in a mobo swap without using it, then consider yourself lucky. Thousands of people have been less so.

[RayH]

Reboot, thanks for your clairification. I was just basing my reply on my own experience on a total swap I didn't need to delete first. Plug and Play just began looking for the CAB and new drivers on initial bootup.

I didn't realize this was not normal and that I was lucky. I was just trying to help someone save a step. But it goes to show that advice on this board, although based upon actual experience, may or may not fit another's situation.

[TimPoet]

I'll be trying the enum key trick real soon here. I love time saving shortcuts that really work. That Enum Key thread in the Tips and Tricks Forum is very informative.

[Kubie]

Results of the ENEM key trick.
Only 2 problems were found. One is resolved the other is not.
After the change over and Windows went through its finding hardware, only one ide controller was loaded, therefore could not download mobo drivers because the cd-rom or burner was not in Windows even though they were in the BIOS.
With glc's help last night, I slaved the cd-rom to the HDD on IDE 1 and then was able to install mobo drivers and everything is now a-ok.
The other problem has more to do with a driver issue and not the ENUM key trick. This is a Intel D815eepa2 mobo which has built in sound using Analog's ADI 1885 c97 codec. The cd has the drivers, including a patch from M$. I assume the patch is installed with the drivers, but can't get sound to work except from cd. I can play music from the cd but not d/l' d MP3's.
Easiest thing will probably be a cheap pci sound card as only 2 desktop speakers are used.
Thanks to everybody for the help.
Carl

[GaryRouth]

Hi Kubie

Glad you had success right off with your 1st try. The sound shouldn't be too big a hurdle to jump. I don't know the patch for the ADI 1885 --you might want to double-check, just in case it needs to be started up separately.

If you can hear .wav files (such as your Window sounds) and you can hear music played from the cd-drive, it's probably not the sound chips fault - it's more likely a software issue with whatever program you are using to play the mp3s. Try uninstalling/reinstalling the mp3 player & I'm guessing your mp3s will play OK. If not, post back, and we can try something else.

Best of luck
. . . Gary

[Kubie]

Hi Gary,
After numerous uninstalls and reinstalls, we decided that a sound card would be better anyway. So we have a Creative pci card on the way.
From what we have read, there were just to many patches and changes to mess with it any longer.
The errors were with Windows and the Soundmax control panel, MMSytem032, to name a couple.
Carl

[kittyfire]

I'm a software person. My last business cards said "software specialist." My secret confession is that hardware - other than the simple stuff - terrifies me. So I want to desoul my 350 (my baby!) by taking the two hard drives in there out and putting them into a machine with a... I dunno... 1k processor. I've been putting it off because I'm sure it's just going to cause me downtime that's going to frustrate me no end. Are you saying this enum thing will work to do something like that? Does it have to be 98SE?

[Kubie]

Hi kittyfire,
I believe the enum key trick works with 98,98se, and possibly ME.
In the tipsntricks forum there is some guidelines for W2K.
Carl

[GaryRouth]

Hi again

Kubie - the Creative card will probably be pretty straightforward and work on the first try: but you'll want to go into the Bios Setup and disable the ADI 1885 before installing the new sound card. You also will want to visit Add/Remove Programs in Control Panel and uninstall the SoundMax software. And then in Safe Mode remove any sound cards that are still listed (if you have a voice modem, you'll leave its voice wave device there).

Another boon of having the Creative card will be that you shouldn't have to worry about the sound stuttering when the cpu is busy, since it does it's own work (while the soundmax relies more on the cpu)

kittyfire - good luck on your project.

. . . Gary

[Hmm . . . Kubie - one more thing: if you didn't uninstall the drivers for whatever sound you used with the previous motherboard's setup, you'll want to uninstall those, too]

[Kubie]

Hi Gary,
Thanks for the info.
We have already removed the sound device and drivers and are waiting for the card to arrive.
Before we install it, we will do another thorough search for sound drivers, as the Epox board (removed), had on board sound also.
Thanks again,
Carl

[reboot]

Kittyfire et al, the enum key trick, as described in the linked post, works with win9x/me. There are other steps to take in Win2k, however, it seems that the enum key in XP is as straightforward as it is in 9x.

[Kubie]

I'm wondering if I failed to do something or did something wrong when I had to slave the cd-rom to the HDD so the mobo cd would load the IDE controllers.
I would suggest to someone using this trick to have a cd-rom slaved to HDD.
Carl