Windows => XP vs 2000

[Radgam]

When ever i post that i am getting XP all i get is people saying stupid things like "Xp is really dire" and "oh, don't get that it's really unstable and windows2k is so much better".

Is this true, is there some sort of good come back you can use if you run XP?

[newme]

ive never used 2k but i have used xp home for a while and i like it better than 98,it has been vey stable for me, no problems at all.and you dont need a comeback if its working fine for you thats all that matters.

[Radgam]

Very True
People will find any reason just to bash Microsoft

[Force Flow]

I have used both, but not extensively. To my understanding, win2000 is closer to win98, but still has parts that are XP-like. So, I guess you can say win2000 is kind of a combo of 98 and XP.

XP, as I just recently found out, is great for gaming--being both stable and contributing an increase in gaming performance.

I've also noticed with both O/S's that they sometimes have problems recognizing hardware and certain software.

[andyms18a]

the benefits of upgrading 98 to xp are worth the upgrade if you use 2k at home for games and such its worth upgrading but if its a work sys i wood leave 2k for now as you wont sea any diffrance

[HAL9000]

I've been running XP for a year now without stability issues. Everyone says the same thing upon the next release of an OS. They complain that it's unstable and the worst OS yet. They said the same about 95, the same about 98 and 98SE, and the same about ME which resides on my other system without issue. If you want XP, go for it.

[reboot]

I wouldn't go back to 95, 98, ME (especially ME!) or 2k.
Been running XP since beta, don't look back

[Radgam]

Thanks You all make me more confident about using windows xp It'll be nice to be upto date for once!

[stump]

I use 2k at work & XP at home. I've done a little gaming and alot of 3D CAD on both systems. Win 2k and xp are very stable. Both RARELY crash. With win 98, the CAD software crashed the system comstantly. If you are currently running 98, upgrade to XP. If currently running 2K, I wouldn't bother upgrading for a while.

[Confused]

I agree with Stump. If running one of the 9X Kernal OS's I believe it is worth it to upgrade. I don't think it would be worth ii to upgrade 2000 to XP.

My other PC here at home has WIN98 and I used 2000 at work and have XP on the one I'm using now. Of the three I like XP the best.

Plus it's System Restore feature has bailed me out numerous times.
Chas

[Hpro]

Originally posted by force_flow2002 I have used both, but not extensively. To my understanding, win2000 is closer to win98, but still has parts that are XP-like. So, I guess you can say win2000 is kind of a combo of 98 and XP. XP, as I just recently found out, is great for gaming--being both stable and contributing an increase in gaming performance. I've also noticed with both O/S's that they sometimes have problems recognizing hardware and certain software.

You are completely WRONG.!Are you sure you are talking about win2K ? not WinME? tell me the windows folder in Win2k how is it named.?
Hpro

[doctorgonzo]

I use 2K at work and XP at home. They are both very similar and quite stable. Much better than the 9X versions of Windows.

Win 2K isn't necessarily better than XP. Because 2K was meant more for businesses, it may have problems with games and other personal software. XP Home is fine for just about everything; it even runs some old DOS games.

Like reboot, I would never go back.

[Hpro]

About windows XP - it is the most Bloated with half good to half bad programs loaded OS I ever saw - taks out all the shi shi and ga ga and then see what you have in the hand -

Now honestly has one of you ever used Moviemaker or some of the other misborn apps coming with this OS?

C'mon - if Microsoft has to invet Autoexec.bat into a 32 bit OS then something is wrong -
also if microsoft has to use *.VXD files in a 32 bit OS then even more is wrong -
I don't understand why people are so easy to blend -!
this is just my personal thoughts, so nobody should be offended at any point..!

The reason Micorsoft pulled up XP is because of the MAC OS X or ten.!
And the other reason is because people can't work with Win2K - yes XP does everything for you - you don't need to think - just click with the mouse on the screen - forget it - people - microsoft makes the Windows user to their- think by yourself -
or at least it is trying to do this with those BIG TIME CRAP OS's like XP and ME.

Has anyone of you ever really looked under the hood of either XP or WinME??? Winme is nothing more than WIN98 in a new package - and XP is a bastard mix of all prior Windows Version to gether..
Sorry for all who invested money into this trash - I for one did also - now the CD is somewhere stored in a box where I don't need to see the mistake I made when I bought this OS .! I feel sick just to think on this,..!Thank God I'm using Win2k If I in really need of and othewise Solaris - Thanks to WSLB and to Statica who helped me to get it running -.

Hpro
Admin - if I offend PcMech rules *I doubt that* the just delete the offending lines or post.thank you - but I had to speak out one time here..!

[Radgam]

See, this is why i get really unsure again

[doctorgonzo]

XP isn't a mishmash of all previous Windows versions. It is important to understand the different OSs M$ put together, and how they evolved from each other.

On the one hand, you have the 9X versions: 95, 98, 98se, and ME. Each version was mainly built upon the last, with new things added in. Honestly, they have all kinds of problems. Crappy memory management. Lots of blue screens. The kernel was crappy. And on and on.

On the other hand, you've got the versions of Windows that M$ created from the ground up for business and server applications. NT, 2K, and now XP. Much more stable and powerful, but until XP came along they were mainly for businesses. I was in Best Buy the other day and saw a copy of 2K for sale. Not only was it priced for businesses ($399 for 2K Professional), but a graphic on the back clearly laid out what M$ had in mind: if you are a business, buy 2K; if you want Windows for home, buy ME.

With XP, M$ is drawing the two markets together. Windows ME and 2K are pretty different products, but XP Home and XP Pro differ much less. Fundamentally, XP Home and XP Pro are built on the same kernel, so they can't be too different.

Sure, Hpro is right about the added software bloat: I don't use Movie Maker or a lot of other programs that come with XP. But if you don't want to use them, just ignore them. You are mainly buying an OS for the kernel and software support. XP is better. You can turn off the cartoony crap if you don't like it.

[Hpro]

OK docotore... (doctorgonzo)
I need to tell you something...
When you invent BAD FUNCTIONS into a good OS - this is and was Win2K then you will make the OS BAD ALSO = Speak XP.!

all you just say is very true and if you look at the kernel of XP and it has to "Emulate" dos or Win 3.11 or even 95 - 98 or SE still I woulnd't mind - but to invent 16 bit drivers into a 32 bit os is over the line - and again - what you think why today every once in a while is DoS attack on the internet - because the way the OS is made for calls for such kind of actions from those who do things like this,... I don't support this kind of things - and I think you should get the best you can for your money - but if someone sells you the same thing for the third time then I start to question - who is the worse one .... the one who is making DoS attacks or the otherone who sells the OS three times just to make sure that the DoS attacks can be made.~!!!

You see if the user of a OS doesn't have to think anymore and just uses the mouse to move around on the screen - and I BEG YOUR PARDON - This counts for the MAJORITY of the COMPUTER USERS today and it gets even worse - so the guy who has a bad mind and just is happy if he can hurt some UNGUILTY people has all the happiness in the world to again write his name on the board of the Attackers... So my Question DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS???
I don't know but not me.!

On the other hand if this company would rather make a OS where you can't hack into and where it would tell the user if someone hacks into it and tries to use his computer for a DoS attack then I would give my honor to this company,.

With XP, M$ is drawing the two markets together. Windows ME and 2K are pretty different products, but XP Home and XP Pro differ much less. Fundamentally, XP Home and XP Pro are built on the same kernel, so they can't be too different.

Nada - this is just a dirty money making thing - for home and professional - just trying to get the last cent out of the customers pocket...

Tell you something - this company employs 800 Millionaries... - so no it's your turn again - make a safer OS so you make a safer computer and you make a safer Internet but then the company will loose big time money - just think about it..

last - in germany recently german government gave order to not to buy microschrott products anymore -.! was in the paper and all over the net. now think why... not anyone can be blindet.!
Hpro

I was living in thailand for alsmost 30 years and now I'm back in europe - you cant imagine how european people feel about many things of this. I just had to realize that and anyone who knows me knows as well that I'm a peace loving person - but with things like this = peace ends.!

[doctorgonzo]

Hpro, you have a lot of valid points about the security of Windows and M$ products in general, software liability, and the need for a secure OS. I agree with you. I am not a fan of M$ at all.

But the question was and is about the merits of XP and 2K and how they compare. The other topics you bring up are certainly valid and merit discussion, but I think it would be easier for people to follow if they were in another thread.

[mikeheitz]

Hpro...

wow, you have a lot of built up hostility.

Radgam, everyone on here has had some valid points... the one thing you should take from this is the following:

If you are interested in doing multimedia (music, video) and gaming, along with the general Internet stuff, then go with XP. XP is built on the 2K kernel as Doctorgonzo pointed out. It is without question more stable than any of the 9x flavors of Windows, as well as being more secure.

Now, if you want to bring the whole "morality of M$" into the picture as Hpro is doing and base your decision on that, pick up (or download) Mandrake Linux. It's the most user friendly Linux distro I have found. Don't expect to stroll into Best Buy and pick up a new game or device and have it work, but if it eases the conscience, go for it.

I personally have run every OS Microsoft has produced since the original DOS days, and I also use Mac OS and a couple flavors of Linux. For day to day use without killing myself in research to figure out how to do something, Windows XP is the way to go.

[sam21]

You go Hpro!
Long live to 2k!
admin:you can delete this if you want to,I'm caught up in the moment

[Radgam]

S'alright, i may not be M$ number one fan, but i don't totally hate them I'll go with XP, and thanks to everyone for their advice (and the interesting debate to say the least).

[mike breck]

I find Paul Sullivan's little article about XP at Firing Squad quite illuminating. XP is certainly not the "uber" OS that many hoped it would be.

http://firingsquad.gamers.com/features/bigbrother1/

I think there are "many" experienced, people, who for various reasons, think W2K is preferable to XP.

[Hpro]

Today - no I start a couple weeks ago I changed my kids computer - the kids are ten and seven years old - as there was always some quarrels who is going to play what game - Including if it broke who was the one who broke the game, so I decidet to find that box where I threw the XP cd into sometime ago and then Deleted all partitions on the computer of my kids - and installed XP installation went smooth and OK the kids can play with it..

I have to say that before I did that all the kids games were just running fine on a Windows 98 SE Thai version System and the only trouble was - the kids them self -..

Now I installed all those games seperated users - gave them both password locked up the other user - gave them admin rights - and voila the debate endet - the games didn't got killed anymore - or that was at least what I thought of..

Then it started out soone than expected - mr. son was playing Fifa 2002 !!!!!!!! Hey listen up world - Fifa 2002 was made after WinXP came out .! and he played just fine with it - switched of the computer and then the next day he switched it on, just to find out that Fifa2002 wouldn't start up anymore.. Papa - the game is broken came his tiny voice from the other room - afraid that he get one on the head because of this - OK I didn't made a big thing out of it - installed the game tested it and he played - only to hear him cry again 2 hours later - and again FIFA had created this and that, do you like to send a report to Microsoft stands in the middle of the Screen - This Icon hasn't been used was written in the ballon etc - f.y.!!! I sayd - and reinstalled - and this went on like that for almost two week now -

Today - I was tired of this took the game over to my computer - Win2K and it just run fine - switched the comp off and on and on and off but no such things as on the XP machine - I changed the VGA card - placed a Geforce 4 in the XP machine - but still the same thing - place a new hard drive with Win98 in the XP machine - and the game made no problem...
and then it came to my head how to get the game going - using compatibility mode - AGAIN Shame ON YOU Billy Boy I thought..! Really Pi**ED of and this they call a OS -

and this is WinXP pro my friend - and now you tell me - and if you don't believe it then get a copy of Fifa 2002 install it with all options and run it - either you will not be able to run it at all or with reinstall after each computer shutdown - unless you switch to compatibility mode - I don't need XP if this runs on Win98 ..!
Thank you for Reading
Hpro

One more thing - but this goes really close to the line of being a jerk.. This Activation thing on XP - it's all Big B.S. - Winxp has tools includet to circumvent this thing. Believe it or not.!
I just found this out when I was searching for the reason why the game doesn't work - but don't ask me -- I don't tell you.

[Hpro]

Thanks Mike - and Sam21 , at least I'm not alone...
Hpro

[Force Flow]

Originally posted by force_flow2002 I have used both, but not extensively. To my understanding, win2000 is closer to win98, but still has parts that are XP-like. So, I guess you can say win2000 is kind of a combo of 98 and XP. XP, as I just recently found out, is great for gaming--being both stable and contributing an increase in gaming performance. I've also noticed with both O/S's that they sometimes have problems recognizing hardware and certain software.

Originally posted by Hpro You are completely WRONG.!Are you sure you are talking about win2K ? not WinME? tell me the windows folder in Win2k how is it named.?

winNT. By the way, which part am I completely wrong about? But, yes, I forgot to add that it was built on NT technology. I was just mainly talking about the user interface since it sounded like Radgam was a new user to 2k and XP.

And yes, winME is horrible. Sure, it's alright for an average user just doing work processing, but for others, it stinks. Full of bugs and the like. I'm not sure if this is true or just an urban legend, but didn't ME crash when it was being presented by Bill Gates?

[sam21]

Originally posted by force_flow2002 I'm not sure if this is true or just an urban legend, but didn't ME crash when it was being presented by Bill Gates?

bwa ha aha aha ,that would've been embarassing...
Bill to audience:"As you can see Windows ME has all of the advanced feature as in Win2k,now if we click this video.......oh dear.....would someone be kind and restart the computer?"

lol

[Tuf]

I'm sorry Hpro once upon a time I used to find your posts interesting and full of valuable information. But your tirades on XP are growing tiresome in my opinion. It's hard enough to try to follow your posts in with the poor spelling and grammatical errors. But toss in the disinformation and illogical statements, the posts are becoming ludricrous.

In the last week or so I think we have all become aware of your dislike for XP. But these statements along with the ones the that state your Pentium 200 with 64mb of RAM offers the same performance as a P4 3ghz are doing a real disservice to our more novice members. I have no idea of your background or motivation but your experiences are atypical of what tens of millions of other people are experiencing around the world.

ps: To the Mods and Administraters of PC Mech, I know I have overstepped my bounds by a long shot by making this post. I am sorry, I really am, but I believe this needed to be said. PC Mech has never been a place for people to spread ignorance and disinformation. That is all I am speaking out against.

Tuf

[M. A. Dockter]

Originally posted by Tuf I'm sorry Hpro once upon a time I used to find your posts interesting and full of valuable information. But your tirades on XP are growing tiresome in my opinion. It's hard enough to try to follow your posts in with the poor spelling and grammatical errors. But toss in the disinformation and illogical statements, the posts are becoming ludricrous. In the last week or so I think we have all become aware of your dislike for XP. But these statements along with the ones the that state your Pentium 200 with 64mb of RAM offers the same performance as a P4 3ghz are doing a real disservice to our more novice members. I have no idea of your background or motivation but your experiences are atypical of what tens of millions of other people are experiencing around the world. ps: To the Mods and Administraters of PC Mech, I know I have overstepped my bounds by a long shot by making this post. I am sorry, I really am, but I believe this needed to be said. PC Mech has never been a place for people to spread ignorance and disinformation. That is all I am speaking out against. Tuf

Tuf:

This apology will do you no good. Nor will the private apology you sent me to PM. Under no circumstances is another member given the privilege to take it upon himself or herself to criticize or chastise another member. Because of the timeliness of your apology you knew in advance the repercussions of your action; if you in fact did not know in advance common since should have shown you otherwise.

Although you feel that Hpro said some things he shouldn't have you by no means did any better by trying to take the law into your own hands. You may be leaving out the type of software configured, or an underlying point that one can make a PPro 200 run just as fast as a P!!! 1Ghz by the way it is configured and the operating system used. Understand that your point of view is not the only point of view, nor is any individual idea concerning the world of computing correct or incorrect on these forums unless it's underlying intent is malicious.

You know full well that this is a place of respect for fellow members; regardless of information base or standing outside of this forum. I have asked in my most recent Forum Address that this type of vigilantism stop inside of the forums and this is a fine example of why. With these type of comments floating around the friendly atmosphere and wealth of information (and the free sharing of it) is severely hindered.

You can consider this your first and final warning in this matter.