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01-06-2003, 06:40 PM
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NTFS with Windows 98???
Is there a way to use NTFS with Windows 98SE?
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01-06-2003, 07:21 PM
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No way no how, sorry delta, but welcome to PCMECH!
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01-06-2003, 09:39 PM
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I thought I had heard of a (driver?) that enabled Win98 to read an NTFS partition.
However, I cannot find anything to back that up right now, so I guess KTKendall is correct. David. |
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01-06-2003, 11:02 PM
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Perhaps you were thinking of NTFS Dos?
I have not had an opportunity to try it myself tho.  http://www.ntfs.com/products.htm |
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01-06-2003, 11:57 PM
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Thanks for the quick and clear answer. Am I right to assume that NTFS is responsible for the stability of Windows XP and that you don’t need to run scan disk after improper shut downs with NTFS?
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01-07-2003, 12:10 AM
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Sorry, but NTFS gives added security. IMHO, the stability comes from the concept of each program running in it's own space and abit issolated from other programs.
Using ntfs dos on a win98 machine isn't going to make your machine more stable. It just allows you to access some files on a W2k ntfs partition. |
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01-07-2003, 02:48 AM
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That's right (IMO).
I don't use NTFS under Win2k myself, purely for compatibility with my Win98 machine and the Win98 alternative OS on the 2K machine. NTFS gives better security, and it also keeps an activity 'journal', which, I think, reduces the likelehood of corruptions (getting out of my depth on that one). HTH, David. |
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01-07-2003, 05:55 AM
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No! win 98 is a fat32 operating system....
Last edited by edge345; 01-07-2003 at 06:09 AM. |
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01-09-2003, 12:54 AM
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"No" to what?
There is no inherent reason why an OS cannot read more than one file system (Win2K can read both NTFS and FAT32 / FAT16 / FAT12). |
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01-09-2003, 04:49 PM
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I’m not sure I understood that. Let me give you a different scenario.
I have a new laptop running WinXP. When, for one reason or another, I have to manually turn the computer off without performing a proper shut down, I don’t have to scan for errors. With my Win98 PC I have too. Isn’t NTFS responsible for this miracle? Can WinME use NTFS? Delta013. |
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01-09-2003, 06:18 PM
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Okay - another thread had this posted (apologies to the poster - I didn't note where it was!):
www.ntfs.com NTFS reader for DOS (also works under DOS window in Win9x). Perhaps that helps? David. |
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01-10-2003, 04:45 PM
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Your question sounded to me is that you wanted to put win98 on a ntfs partition and my answer was no. sorry if i miss read your post....
The site David_Jones gave you will let you read a ntfs formatted partition from a dos promt.... |
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01-10-2003, 05:36 PM
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Ahh - I see what you were saying now about not being able to install Win98 on an NTFS.
Also, apologies to KTKendall - That 'other' thread was actually this thread (up above)! Sorry - I am going to lie down in a dark room for a while!! Thanks, David. |
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01-10-2003, 05:43 PM
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Quite allright, I learned something here on this one too about the DOS reader for win9x to read ntfs.
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01-10-2003, 06:35 PM
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01-11-2003, 03:56 PM
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Delta -
Regarding your question about the laptop not having to run ScanDisk: this is probably due to it's use of a Hibernation (like a "save state") for abrupt powerdown without the use of the usual Shutdown process [laptops usually default to this behavior, since batteries can run down quickly and unexpectedly]. The computer saves the state of the screen, and unsaved data in your workspace, to disk and shuts off. On reboot it reads that file and voila - you're back to the spot you left off. NTFS isn't really responsible for that. If a NTFS (WinNT/2000/XP) desktop computer not using such hibernation modes was suddenly powered off, it would run a ScanDisk check on restart, just like Win95/98/Me. NTFS has some nice features for additional security (notably encryption), and it's performance doesn't degrade as much as very large drives fill up (has an indexing feature). For a more detailed, in-depth look at the two file systems compared, here's an article over at AnandTech: http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.html?i=63 The Win95/98/Me operating systems must run on either FAT16 or FAT32. The WinNT/2000/XP operating systems are recommended to run on NTFS, but can run on FAT32 if necessary for multiboot convenience. I think the article touches on this. If you were multibooting, and wanted to run Win2000 on NTFS and Win98 on FAT32, a program such as the one in the link posted above by Gromit (NTFS for Windows 98) would allow the Win98 OS to see data on the Win2000 partition, which it wouldn't be able to read without the help of that third-party program. Post again if I've been more confusing than enlightening . . . Gary |
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