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rip · 08-23-2003, 07:41 AM

it can not be bad ram for me, this is a new bulid and my ram checks out. i have a initalizer on here that checks all the cards and it says they are good so i have to find out whats wrong.

andyms18a · 08-23-2003, 07:47 AM

try this web site for posable causes for this problam http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];kbhowto
in the first box select win98
and in the second put suwin error thair are lots of causes and fixes so you will need the exact error masage

rip · 08-23-2003, 07:49 AM

ty andy, been working like a dog on this thing it will workkkkkkkk.

rip · 08-23-2003, 08:31 AM

Warning SU0019
Setup has found commands in your AUTOEXEC.BAT or CONFIG.SYS files that are not compatible with Windows.
Setup creates backup copies of your existing Autoexec.bat and Config.sys files and creates new files, if necessary.

this is the error i'm getting i think if i chose ignore it will create the files once it is loaded. what you think?

Confused · 08-23-2003, 08:35 AM

You've got three threads going here. Hard to follow.

But if you have a question about your floppy go to www.bootdisk.com and download a WIN98 boot disk.

WIN98 is bootable by itself. Since you say it isn't a upgrade and I'm assuming it isn't a restore from HP, Compaq, Gateway, ect. go into BIOS and set boot order for CD-ROM as first boot device and then reboot with your WIN98 CD in the drive. It has to be in the drive when you boot or else your BIOS will then default to second boot device.
Chas'

rip · 08-23-2003, 08:38 AM

well this all coincides, the boot order is correct, cdrom boots first but i get the error message as windows is loading. and as i the previous thread that is the message i am getting.

rip · 08-23-2003, 10:00 AM

from what i gather, the system is running to fast, for 98 to load windows, ihave read where it tells you to turn off l1 and l2 cache in the bios till loading is down and if that doesn't work turn down the speed to 100 mhz in the bios which then you have to jumper it on the board or it won't start. so i am going to try these things and let you know.

rip · 08-23-2003, 10:10 AM

http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;224836
this is the page about them and tells you what to do

Doobie · 08-23-2003, 10:18 AM

You should really try to keep your posts in one for the same problem... It would be alot easier for someone to help you...

Confused · 08-23-2003, 10:41 AM

Please start using "Post reply" and keep this thing to one thread. You are really confusing things with so many threads going.
Chas

**HAL9000** · 08-23-2003, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rip
it can not be bad ram for me, this is a new bulid and my ram checks out. i have a initalizer on here that checks all the cards and it says they are good so i have to find out whats wrong.

NEVER doubt the RAM. I worked for a distributor for three years and MANY times I had systems where various software diagnostics would test new RAM to be 100% OK, but I would get SU errors. Replacing the RAM cured the problem 95% of the time.

rip · 08-23-2003, 10:59 AM

i may be wrong but would the system post or even start to load windows is the ram was bad?

**HAL9000** · 08-23-2003, 11:01 AM

Yes it would.... like I said.... when I worked for a distributor, this happened to me on MANY occasions. What happens is when the OS is installing, files are first copied to RAM where they are decompressed before copying to the hard drive. If there is a bad memory area in the RAM, the data becomes corrupt during the decompression and an SUWIN error occurs.

**HAL9000** · 08-23-2003, 11:02 AM

BTW... I have merged some of these threads to help eliminate some confusion.

rip · 08-23-2003, 11:03 AM

hum interesting. quess i better check this out for sure then. ty

rip · 08-23-2003, 09:37 PM

i got passed the errors, i disabled l2 cache on the cpu and and pulled one stick of ram, after i did this it booted and the op system went in like flint. all is working well and after it went in i enabled the cache, and [put the stick back in, from what i read windows 98 and me, do not like systems that run 512 or above ram for some reason. it worked and so far so good.
k7n2 mother board, amd athlon 2200 processer, western digital 40 gig hd, pc2700 133/333 ram. tnt2 magic 3 vid card.

GaryRouth · 08-24-2003, 01:59 AM

Just a thought: since your Athlon is getting close to 2 ghz, if you see any general protection errors, might look at this article: http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;312108

You may well not have to worry about it, though. Just a precaution.
. . . Gary

[. . . of course, those errors can also point to troublesome memory. One thing you could do is try to double-and-triple check the memory by using several testing methods. Try DocMemory http://www.simmtester.com and perhaps a burn-in with SiSoft Sandra http://www.sisoftware.co.uk - there are a few more, but those two are easy to use]

rip · 08-24-2003, 06:11 AM

thanks gary, been working on this thing alot, and everyone has been a great help, new to the forum and man i just would have not known all the things i have learned if it wasn't for you guys. still have to get it on line yet. no modem in it. i have a dsl and have to work around it not having a internal one. but when i get it up i will check those sites for sure.

rip · 08-24-2003, 07:35 AM

well i spoke to soonlol. i have fatal exception errors all over the place keeps crashing , that fix is a good idea but it says 2.2 or higher, think i'm afraid to put it in , of course i may have to reinstall anyway. i may just pull that one stick out and see what happens. dang thing going to give me heart burn.

K7N2 MOTHER BOARD,AMDXP2200 PROCESSER,40 GIG WESTERN DIGITAL HD, TNT2 VID CARD,350 WATT ANTEC PSU.

Confused · 08-24-2003, 09:09 AM

How much RAM are you trying to run. WIN98 doesn't work well above 512 without VCACHE changes. I've found there isn't much change above 256K with the 2 WIN98 PC's I have.
Chas

rip · 08-24-2003, 09:14 AM

i'm running at 512 mb, pc 2700.

**HAL9000** · 08-24-2003, 10:36 AM

That patch shouldn't be requred on your system as you are running a 2200+ processor which is only 1.8Ghz. I'm still leaning on it being a RAM issue.

rip · 08-24-2003, 10:40 AM

well i think i'm going to pull the one stick out and see what happens, then i might adjust the vcache see if that does anything. if all else i will take that one stick down and have it tested. i tryed to download the ram test, would not load it for some reason someting about zip file. i will try again. this thing will runn. lol

08-23-2003, 07:41 AM	#1
rip Member (8 bit) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: new smyrna ,fla Posts: 130	suwin error it can not be bad ram for me, this is a new bulid and my ram checks out. i have a initalizer on here that checks all the cards and it says they are good so i have to find out whats wrong. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

08-23-2003, 07:47 AM	#2
andyms18a Member (12 bit) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: essex Posts: 2,252	try this web site for posable causes for this problam http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];kbhowto in the first box select win98 and in the second put suwin error thair are lots of causes and fixes so you will need the exact error masage Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Join the PcMech.com Folding@Home Team and Help Save Lives! Click Here! Life only looks greener on the other side of the fence

08-23-2003, 07:49 AM	#3
rip Member (8 bit) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: new smyrna ,fla Posts: 130	ty andy, been working like a dog on this thing it will workkkkkkkk. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

08-23-2003, 08:31 AM	#4
rip Member (8 bit) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: new smyrna ,fla Posts: 130	Warning SU0019 Setup has found commands in your AUTOEXEC.BAT or CONFIG.SYS files that are not compatible with Windows. Setup creates backup copies of your existing Autoexec.bat and Config.sys files and creates new files, if necessary. this is the error i'm getting i think if i chose ignore it will create the files once it is loaded. what you think? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

08-23-2003, 08:35 AM	#5
Confused Member (13 bit) Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Mt Washington, KY Posts: 4,927	You've got three threads going here. Hard to follow. But if you have a question about your floppy go to www.bootdisk.com and download a WIN98 boot disk. WIN98 is bootable by itself. Since you say it isn't a upgrade and I'm assuming it isn't a restore from HP, Compaq, Gateway, ect. go into BIOS and set boot order for CD-ROM as first boot device and then reboot with your WIN98 CD in the drive. It has to be in the drive when you boot or else your BIOS will then default to second boot device. Chas' Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ I may not be much, but I'm all I think about.

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08-23-2003, 08:38 AM	#6
rip Member (8 bit) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: new smyrna ,fla Posts: 130	well this all coincides, the boot order is correct, cdrom boots first but i get the error message as windows is loading. and as i the previous thread that is the message i am getting. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

08-23-2003, 10:00 AM	#7
rip Member (8 bit) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: new smyrna ,fla Posts: 130	su win errors are from what i gather, the system is running to fast, for 98 to load windows, ihave read where it tells you to turn off l1 and l2 cache in the bios till loading is down and if that doesn't work turn down the speed to 100 mhz in the bios which then you have to jumper it on the board or it won't start. so i am going to try these things and let you know. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

08-23-2003, 10:10 AM	#8
rip Member (8 bit) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: new smyrna ,fla Posts: 130	what micro soft says about win errors http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;224836 this is the page about them and tells you what to do Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

08-23-2003, 10:18 AM	#9
Doobie Member (11 bit) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mexico Posts: 1,049	You should really try to keep your posts in one for the same problem... It would be alot easier for someone to help you... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

08-23-2003, 10:41 AM	#10
Confused Member (13 bit) Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Mt Washington, KY Posts: 4,927	Please start using "Post reply" and keep this thing to one thread. You are really confusing things with so many threads going. Chas Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

08-23-2003, 10:59 AM	#12
rip Member (8 bit) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: new smyrna ,fla Posts: 130	i may be wrong but would the system post or even start to load windows is the ram was bad? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

08-23-2003, 11:01 AM	#13
HAL9000 Red-eyed Moderator Staff Premium Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 17,576	Yes it would.... like I said.... when I worked for a distributor, this happened to me on MANY occasions. What happens is when the OS is installing, files are first copied to RAM where they are decompressed before copying to the hard drive. If there is a bad memory area in the RAM, the data becomes corrupt during the decompression and an SUWIN error occurs. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

08-23-2003, 11:02 AM	#14
HAL9000 Red-eyed Moderator Staff Premium Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 17,576	BTW... I have merged some of these threads to help eliminate some confusion. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

08-23-2003, 11:03 AM	#15
rip Member (8 bit) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: new smyrna ,fla Posts: 130	hum interesting. quess i better check this out for sure then. ty Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

08-23-2003, 09:37 PM	#16
rip Member (8 bit) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: new smyrna ,fla Posts: 130	i got passed the errors, i disabled l2 cache on the cpu and and pulled one stick of ram, after i did this it booted and the op system went in like flint. all is working well and after it went in i enabled the cache, and [put the stick back in, from what i read windows 98 and me, do not like systems that run 512 or above ram for some reason. it worked and so far so good. k7n2 mother board, amd athlon 2200 processer, western digital 40 gig hd, pc2700 133/333 ram. tnt2 magic 3 vid card. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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08-24-2003, 01:59 AM	#17
GaryRouth Member (12 bit) Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Woodland Hills, CA (suburb of Los Angeles) Posts: 4,014	Just a thought: since your Athlon is getting close to 2 ghz, if you see any general protection errors, might look at this article: http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;312108 You may well not have to worry about it, though. Just a precaution. . . . Gary [. . . of course, those errors can also point to troublesome memory. One thing you could do is try to double-and-triple check the memory by using several testing methods. Try DocMemory http://www.simmtester.com and perhaps a burn-in with SiSoft Sandra http://www.sisoftware.co.uk - there are a few more, but those two are easy to use] Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Last edited by GaryRouth; 08-24-2003 at 02:03 AM.

08-24-2003, 06:11 AM	#18
rip Member (8 bit) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: new smyrna ,fla Posts: 130	thanks gary, been working on this thing alot, and everyone has been a great help, new to the forum and man i just would have not known all the things i have learned if it wasn't for you guys. still have to get it on line yet. no modem in it. i have a dsl and have to work around it not having a internal one. but when i get it up i will check those sites for sure. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

08-24-2003, 07:35 AM	#19
rip Member (8 bit) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: new smyrna ,fla Posts: 130	well i spoke to soonlol. i have fatal exception errors all over the place keeps crashing , that fix is a good idea but it says 2.2 or higher, think i'm afraid to put it in , of course i may have to reinstall anyway. i may just pull that one stick out and see what happens. dang thing going to give me heart burn. K7N2 MOTHER BOARD,AMDXP2200 PROCESSER,40 GIG WESTERN DIGITAL HD, TNT2 VID CARD,350 WATT ANTEC PSU. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

08-24-2003, 09:09 AM	#20
Confused Member (13 bit) Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Mt Washington, KY Posts: 4,927	How much RAM are you trying to run. WIN98 doesn't work well above 512 without VCACHE changes. I've found there isn't much change above 256K with the 2 WIN98 PC's I have. Chas Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

08-24-2003, 09:14 AM	#21
rip Member (8 bit) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: new smyrna ,fla Posts: 130	i'm running at 512 mb, pc 2700. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

08-24-2003, 10:36 AM	#22
HAL9000 Red-eyed Moderator Staff Premium Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 17,576	That patch shouldn't be requred on your system as you are running a 2200+ processor which is only 1.8Ghz. I'm still leaning on it being a RAM issue. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

08-24-2003, 10:40 AM	#23
rip Member (8 bit) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: new smyrna ,fla Posts: 130	well i think i'm going to pull the one stick out and see what happens, then i might adjust the vcache see if that does anything. if all else i will take that one stick down and have it tested. i tryed to download the ram test, would not load it for some reason someting about zip file. i will try again. this thing will runn. lol Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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