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Colb · 12-08-2003, 12:26 AM

Any idea when this will arrive? Or does anyone have experience with the beta? And how is it running?

Speedypeanut · 12-08-2003, 12:32 AM

im not sure and sure that this isnt accurate but, sometime late 2005 or early 2005, anyone who is sure or has a better idea than me feel free to correct me

andyms18a · 12-08-2003, 02:14 AM

check out this link http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...nXP64BitPR.asp

DragonNOA1 · 12-08-2003, 07:28 PM

"Microsoft will support the new AMD Opteron 64-bit processor in the first service pack release of Windows Server 2003, due out by the end of 2003."
-from M$

What about official support for the Athlon-64 (FX)? Haven't heard any dates yet on that.

Mac Medic · 12-08-2003, 08:21 PM

XP 64bit will be available in the new year. It was hoped to be released with the AMD 64bit processors, but got delayed.

For the rest of us XP sp2 should be out any day now.

TwoRails · 12-08-2003, 08:32 PM

I read andyms18a link above, and it's sad that Intel is mentioned a dozen times, but not AMD.

DragonNOA1 · 12-08-2003, 09:01 PM

TwoRails, the article talks about Windows (and Windows Server) 64-bit, which has been exclusively Intel (Itanium) up until SP1 in march '03 to support opteron and the new version out in '04 to support AMD64 processors.

OEM_GUY,
I thought windows was going to wait a year or two before releasing another service pack for XP (much to everyone's disapproval), but I am unsure.

TwoRails · 12-08-2003, 09:13 PM

OK, I must be misssing something... the link also talks about XP 64:

Quote:

Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Version 2003 is a high-performance desktop platform that enables the next generation of powerful Windows-based applications for Itanium 2.

So, are there going to be a dozen "64" OSs? Servier 2003 64, XP 64, Win 64, a special AMD 64...????

DragonNOA1 · 12-08-2003, 09:18 PM

Sorry TwoRails I don't want to imply anything, because I really don't know much, but what I do get from the article is that there is a Windows Server 64-bit and a Windows XP 64-bit, one for servers (duh) and one for business/home enthusiasts that will probably later (a few years down the road) turn into the OS for the average consumer.

David M · 12-08-2003, 09:25 PM

Makes me nervous why MSFT made no mention of AMD processors....I am about to assemble an Athlon 64 bit FX-51 machine. Well, at least I know it runs 32 bit app's very fast if not anythng else.

David M · 12-08-2003, 09:33 PM

This is the best I found from the AMD FAQ page about the FX-51:

Q: Which operating systems will support the AMD Athlon 64 FX processor at launch?

A: The AMD Athlon 64 FX processor is designed to run all 32-bit x86 operating systems. In addition, all major operating systems vendors are expected to support the AMD64 platform including Microsoft, RedHat, SuSE, United Linux (comprised of SuSE, Conectiva, Caldera and TurboLinux), MandrakeSoft and Wasabi.

TwoRails · 12-08-2003, 09:43 PM

Didn't think that you were, DragonNOA1

DragonNOA1 · 12-08-2003, 09:45 PM

Thanks, i guess

Mac Medic · 12-08-2003, 10:25 PM

There will be 2 versions of 64bit XP.
1 for AMD, 1 for the Itanic. The AMD
optimized version has been in Beta since
before the opteron release.

The XP service pack is a long story,
too long to type out on this ipaq ppc
so it'll have to wait till i get back to
my Mac to tell it.

imbest123 · 12-08-2003, 10:58 PM

Allz I knowz is thatz im not even looking at 64-bit until the o/s comes out so im hoping for it to come out soon.

RHLinuxGUY · 12-08-2003, 11:27 PM

u all should go with a Linux OS, im not saying DUMP WINDOWS but give inux a try there is a **** load of linux OS'es out there that support 64-bit. One of them are RedHatEnterprize http://www.redhat.com/partners/press_partner_amd.html mandrake http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/...soft/news/2414

Mac Medic · 12-09-2003, 07:34 AM

Ok, back at a real keyboard.

XP Sp2 was supposed to include a lot of new features (antivirus, pop-up-blocking, spam filtering, bluetooth support and media feature from XP media edition) but with the delays of Wronghorn these features have been stripped from SP2 and will be included in a future release of XP. This future build has been tentitavely named Windows Elements but will more likely be named XP SE and will be an upgrade to XP. M$ just want to make some more money, and who can blame them.

Windows Elements (XP SE?) will probably be the first XP release to have 64bit processor support, not a full 64bit OS though.

bigandy · 12-09-2003, 04:46 PM

Oem guy, so when (approximately) is XP SP2 coming out. I heard something about the end of this year, is that right?

Mac Medic · 12-09-2003, 05:18 PM

It went Gold beta today from what I was told, should be within a week if that is true. SP2 will now only be security fixes and patches though, you'll have to wait for Elements for new stuff.

DragonNOA1 · 12-09-2003, 05:37 PM

"mid-2004 release."

here

here is some info about windows update 5 and some info on what SP2 will change/have in it

here

bigandy · 12-09-2003, 05:41 PM

Okay, thanks guys.

DragonNOA1 · 12-09-2003, 05:44 PM

And another interesting read about solving buffer over-run problems w/ SP2, which will make some programs incompatible with the new SP. here

Mac Medic · 12-18-2003, 08:39 AM

My Info was a little off. The XP SP2 was the gold beta and it took a bit more than a week but.

http://theinquirer.net/?article=13247

I have been told it will be a public beta like WMP 9 was so should be available for download soon.

12-08-2003, 12:26 AM	#1
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andyms18a Member (12 bit) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: essex Posts: 2,252	check out this link http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...nXP64BitPR.asp Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Join the PcMech.com Folding@Home Team and Help Save Lives! Click Here! Life only looks greener on the other side of the fence

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DragonNOA1 Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Na Pali Haven Posts: 2,812	"Microsoft will support the new AMD Opteron 64-bit processor in the first service pack release of Windows Server 2003, due out by the end of 2003." -from M$ What about official support for the Athlon-64 (FX)? Haven't heard any dates yet on that. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ The command line, an elegant weapon for a more civilized age

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Mac Medic Member (11 bit) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,729	XP 64bit will be available in the new year. It was hoped to be released with the AMD 64bit processors, but got delayed. For the rest of us XP sp2 should be out any day now. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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12-08-2003, 08:32 PM	#6
TwoRails Member (14 bit) Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Great NorthWest Posts: 12,594	I read andyms18a link above, and it's sad that Intel is mentioned a dozen times, but not AMD. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-08-2003, 09:01 PM	#7
DragonNOA1 Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Na Pali Haven Posts: 2,812	TwoRails, the article talks about Windows (and Windows Server) 64-bit, which has been exclusively Intel (Itanium) up until SP1 in march '03 to support opteron and the new version out in '04 to support AMD64 processors. OEM_GUY, I thought windows was going to wait a year or two before releasing another service pack for XP (much to everyone's disapproval), but I am unsure. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-08-2003, 09:18 PM	#9
DragonNOA1 Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Na Pali Haven Posts: 2,812	Sorry TwoRails I don't want to imply anything, because I really don't know much, but what I do get from the article is that there is a Windows Server 64-bit and a Windows XP 64-bit, one for servers (duh) and one for business/home enthusiasts that will probably later (a few years down the road) turn into the OS for the average consumer. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-08-2003, 09:25 PM	#10
David M Techphile. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: San Francisco Bay Posts: 5,962	Makes me nervous why MSFT made no mention of AMD processors....I am about to assemble an Athlon 64 bit FX-51 machine. Well, at least I know it runs 32 bit app's very fast if not anythng else. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-08-2003, 09:33 PM	#11
David M Techphile. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: San Francisco Bay Posts: 5,962	This is the best I found from the AMD FAQ page about the FX-51: Q: Which operating systems will support the AMD Athlon 64 FX processor at launch? A: The AMD Athlon 64 FX processor is designed to run all 32-bit x86 operating systems. In addition, all major operating systems vendors are expected to support the AMD64 platform including Microsoft, RedHat, SuSE, United Linux (comprised of SuSE, Conectiva, Caldera and TurboLinux), MandrakeSoft and Wasabi. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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TwoRails Member (14 bit) Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Great NorthWest Posts: 12,594	Didn't think that you were, DragonNOA1 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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DragonNOA1 Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Na Pali Haven Posts: 2,812	Thanks, i guess Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-08-2003, 10:25 PM	#14
Mac Medic Member (11 bit) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,729	There will be 2 versions of 64bit XP. 1 for AMD, 1 for the Itanic. The AMD optimized version has been in Beta since before the opteron release. The XP service pack is a long story, too long to type out on this ipaq ppc so it'll have to wait till i get back to my Mac to tell it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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imbest123 iTroll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: 818 Posts: 2,252	Allz I knowz is thatz im not even looking at 64-bit until the o/s comes out so im hoping for it to come out soon. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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RHLinuxGUY Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: So-Cal Posts: 85	u all should go with a Linux OS, im not saying DUMP WINDOWS but give inux a try there is a **** load of linux OS'es out there that support 64-bit. One of them are RedHatEnterprize http://www.redhat.com/partners/press_partner_amd.html mandrake http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/...soft/news/2414 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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12-09-2003, 07:34 AM	#17
Mac Medic Member (11 bit) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,729	Ok, back at a real keyboard. XP Sp2 was supposed to include a lot of new features (antivirus, pop-up-blocking, spam filtering, bluetooth support and media feature from XP media edition) but with the delays of Wronghorn these features have been stripped from SP2 and will be included in a future release of XP. This future build has been tentitavely named Windows Elements but will more likely be named XP SE and will be an upgrade to XP. M$ just want to make some more money, and who can blame them. Windows Elements (XP SE?) will probably be the first XP release to have 64bit processor support, not a full 64bit OS though. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Last edited by Mac Medic; 12-09-2003 at 07:39 AM.

12-09-2003, 04:46 PM	#18
bigandy Folding For PCMech Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Dimas, CA Posts: 3,136	Oem guy, so when (approximately) is XP SP2 coming out. I heard something about the end of this year, is that right? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-09-2003, 05:18 PM	#19
Mac Medic Member (11 bit) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,729	It went Gold beta today from what I was told, should be within a week if that is true. SP2 will now only be security fixes and patches though, you'll have to wait for Elements for new stuff. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-09-2003, 05:37 PM	#20
DragonNOA1 Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Na Pali Haven Posts: 2,812	"mid-2004 release." here here is some info about windows update 5 and some info on what SP2 will change/have in it here Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-09-2003, 05:41 PM	#21
bigandy Folding For PCMech Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Dimas, CA Posts: 3,136	Okay, thanks guys. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-09-2003, 05:44 PM	#22
DragonNOA1 Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Na Pali Haven Posts: 2,812	And another interesting read about solving buffer over-run problems w/ SP2, which will make some programs incompatible with the new SP. here Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-18-2003, 08:39 AM	#23
Mac Medic Member (11 bit) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,729	My Info was a little off. The XP SP2 was the gold beta and it took a bit more than a week but. http://theinquirer.net/?article=13247 I have been told it will be a public beta like WMP 9 was so should be available for download soon. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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