Clean Install of 98 and No CD Support....Need some help

[Naja]

Ok, I know this issue has been delt with here before, but I cannot find it again, so a link to a prior thread would be great!

Built my 3rd pc. This one is for a friend who wants Win98. Why I dont know, but the install just isnt going......

I've got the HD partitioned and formatted, but can't get CD-Rom Support, so it aborts the installation.

I've got Bootdisks, 98 Start-up disks, an original 98SE disk and pretty much everything else----still no CD Support.

I've searched on the web and in my personal PCs for drivers that would work or specifically "OEMCD001"--No Luck.

This is my first time installing anything, except XP(<--which is pretty self-explanitory).

So, CD-Rom Support? Little Help Please?

Thanx!

[RJ]

The Windows 98 CD should be bootable. It should work like XP except for the partition and format but you've done that already.
Have you tried to boot from the Win98 CD yet ?

RJ

[Naja]

Yes, I have tried every option available:
Boot From Hard Disk
Boot From CDrom
Start Windows 98 Setup from CD-ROM
Start Computer with CD-Support
Start Computer Without CD-Support

HD is invalid system disk, of course
and everything else fails because of the inability to find the CD Driver.
I have a Copy of an Original 98 Disk, AND an Original 98 disk--both give me the same headache.
I've put this HD in 2 different PCs and get the same problems. So, its not a PC problem unless it has something to do with the MB BIOS (both PCs are using the Asus P4G800-V). The other PC is running XP Pro with no problems, on an Identical HD, except it is a 120g.

Any Pointers?

[edfair]

Are you sure it is a failure to find a CD driver? If you make the choice of boot with CD support you should be getting a bunch of messages as different drivers are loading, something like 6 drivers load out of config.sys and then the mscdex from autoexec.bat. And the messages should indicate if they find the physical hardware.
I've generally found hardware problems with the CD or second IDE channel when I've run up against this.
And you could try a replacement boot disk from www.bootdisk.com as they generally have anything you might need.
And try a [F8] at starting to load. That will give you step by step control and keep the messages on screen.

[mouse1]

Hi naja..I am by no means an expert on this but I had the same trouble with a 120 gig HDD,i had to redo the f-disk and format it again making sure the patitions were less than 64 gig each,and mke sure you make no.1 partition active HTH..GaryD

[Naja]

sounds great! I'll give those things a try tomorrow. Its an 80g with 1 partition and SATA.

And yes, it loads the other drivers, but at the very beginning it cannot find the cd driver and aborts installation and then at the end (just before the A: prompt) it states it again.

Will give it a whirl and let u guys know.

Thanx!

[glc]

Does BIOS see the CD drive? Are all standard IDE devices cabled and jumpered correctly? Are you using 98SE? 98FE doesn't support SATA. Because of the FDISK limitation in 98 (64gb) it may be easier using the hard drive manufacturer's software to set up the drive.

[ThePoor]

use win98 bootable disk, boot up with cd-rom support.
win98 will make a ram disk(virtual disk) so if you have just HDD and CD-ROM, lets say your hdd will be C, RAM drive will be D, and your cd-rom drive is E...
at command type E:\win98\setup...

[Naja]

The Bios sees the cd-rom (Primary Master). I've been using an Originial 98SE disk--yesterday and today.

I re-partitioned and formatted (FAT32) the drive via XP in another system and the new partition is 30g--under 64g.

The response is the same as it was. The only difference is that when I use the Original 98SE disk it cannot locate the "OEMCD001" Driver, and when I use the 98 Start Disk it cannot find the "MSCD001" Driver.

It Cannot find the driver initially and then goes thru a song and dance and ends with:

START DISK:

"Preparing to start your computer.
This may take a few minutes. Please wait....

The Diagnostic tools were sucessfully loaded to drive D.

Device Driver not found: 'MSCD001'. (or OEMCD001)
No Valid CDROM device drivers selected

To get help, type HELP and press ENTER (or go to www.PCMech.com )

A:\> "

ORIGINAL 98SE DISK:

"Device Driver not found: 'OEMCD001'
No valid CDROM device drivers selected

The Windows 98 Setup files were not found.

A:\> "
Again, I've put this HD in PC2 (sig) and get the exact same responses to anything I try.

I've typed everything I can find and think of into the A:\> promt and usually get either Invalid Drive specification Or Bad Command or File name.

Sheesh!

The CDROM is borrowed out of a compaq and has a manufacturer date of Sept. 2000.-->I get the same responses when I hook this drive up to PC2 (sig)<---theres nothing proprietary there.

[Rebel_526]

Try swapping the CD to secondary slave....be sure that the BIOS is set to boot to CD. Don't use a diskette in the 'A' drive, use the 98SE CD in the CD drive.....

[Naja]

Nope. Same thing. Primary slave or secondary slave. I changed the jumper to slave. On cable select the Bios lists it as Secondary Master.

Its been placed appropriately with repsect to MB plugs, Ribbon cable plugs and jumpers. Doesn't matter what I set it on---its all the same responses.

[GaryRouth]

Might be a good time to try a different cd-drive, if you have one handy.

[Naja]

Ok, Before I responded in haste---> I just rehooked up this HD to PC2 in my sig and tried it through the DVD-Rom and Burner--->Nothing-->same results. Yes, the boot priorities were adjusted and set.

Since I am using SATA in PC2 the Optical drives are on the primary. I'll switch it to secondary and try it, and IF there is a difference I'll post it--> If NOT, I'll just wait for another reply.

Thanx, Gary!

[GaryRouth]

Hi again

Is the new build going to have similiar specs to PC2? If so, you may need want to start the install process with the Cd (still might want to try another one) on Secondary Master IDE, keep the RAM to 512mb or less during the install (then add back the rest - and you may want to add that MaxFileCache value to system.ini to help Win98se with the large amount of memory), and either use the disk utility from the manufacturer (like glc mentions) or find a copy of fdisk that was updated for drives over 64gb [Win98se will work with the larger partitions, it's just that the fdisk tool needs to be the recent version]. . .

. . . during boot, do you see any display with info about the SATA drive?
. . . Gary

[. . . or talk your friend into trying WinXP = you're right that it's a much better match for a powerful new system like that . . . ]

[Naja]

Hi Gary,

The new build has an Antec tower with a 350W SmartPower PSU, Asus P4G800-V (same as PC2), 1g Crucial Ram (same PC2), P4 2.4C (2.8C in PC2), WD 80g Sata (120g in PC2), No permanent optical drives yet<--owner will install ones he already has.

The Original 98 disk is borrowed from a company with an extremely large intricate network--->if the disk was bad<----they would know it.

Ok, Removed a stick of ram--same result. No change. Turned Onboard video Memory down to 4Mb and Graphics apertures size down to 16Mb--No Change. Same Result.

Honestly, I dont have a clue how to get to the system.ini to change the MaxFileCache value or anything else.

I repartitioned it through the XP OS in PC2---30g fat32-->anything wrong with that? Any reason why I would be better off with an FDisk?

Just tried manual setup and still cannot find the drivers. Used common sense for what to respond to each step, but, hey.....Didnt work. Eventually got an A:\>prompt.

Cannot find the CD driver(s) and eventually the 98 setup files.

ATAPI driver for CD-Rom (Not found and aborts installation)and 5-6 ASPI for DOS is all I see it "loading".

Switched the IDE in PC2 to the secondary and no change.

Anymore thoughts?

[GaryRouth]

Well, it might be time to just give up on installing from the cd.

Try slaving the drive into your XP machine again, and copying the Win98se .cabs onto the hard drive from there. You can name the folder \Win98 [or \Doggone-Pain-In-the-Patushi if you'd like ] Since you've formatted it with FAT32 already, that should go OK [ps - you did mark the FAT32 partition "Active" when you first formatted it? if not, do so, or Win98 won't be able to boot from it]. . . Then put the drive back in it's probably-too-modern home, and boot from a Win98 floppy boot disk. Switch to the directory you stuck the Win98se cabs in, and type the command Setup. It can run from the hard drive, and your friend will have the added luxury of not having the where-the-heck-did-I-put-that-Windows-CD blues

I haven't installed Win98se on a motherboard that new, so you might check to see if 98 needs something to help the SATA drive get things started - that would be in the motherboard's manual somewhere. . . and I'd keep the Ram down at the 512 and under until after the install . . . go ahead and leave the AGP aperture to 64mb (the default), and onboard memory to any value you'd like (no reason to be stingy - you've got lots to spare, even with just the 512 stick in). . .

Should this get Win98se in OK, this is when you'd consider looking up the patch for systems with 2ghz+ cpus (not all systems will need it - my guess is that it might be a chipset or motherboard sensitive kind of thing - here's the link: http://support.microsoft.com/default...08&Product=w98 . . . you know, now that I've just re-read that article, you might be OK with 2nd Edition, it looks like the patch mostly concerns the original version) . . .

and here's a cut-and-paste for the over 512mb & Win98 situation, from a previous reply:
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"A nice, straightforward explanation is on this webpage: http://www.dewassoc.com/support/win...x_512memory.htm

They recommend removing all but 512mb from the system (while the system is shutdown & powered off, of course). Reboot. Then add the MaxFileCache=524288 line to the [vcache] section of your system.ini file. Reboot. Then shutdown, power off, add the extra memory back in. That usually works pretty well. Note that they do have another method if it doesn't (which involves the System Configuration tool)."
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After all that, we get to see if his cd-drive works!
. . . Gary

[Naja]

Well, It WORKED! hehehehehehe

I copied ALL of the files onto the HD and started with a Start Disk as U suggested. Got to the C:\>prompt and typed in setup and it took off!

However, I loaded 98 while the HD was still connected to PC2 and just did the ENUM Trick to get it into the other PC. Everything seems Fine, but I have to connect to the Internet and check the LAN, do the updates, etc.

But, Thank You!

I didnt know I could load an OS that way, or I would have tried it sooner.
I do have one problem that I know of:

How do I get the OTHER partition FAT32 and recognized? FDisk?

Thanx Again!

Funny thing is: Win98 STILL does not recognize this CD-ROM. Hmmmmmmmmm

So, Ive started a new thread at:

Still No CD, Etc Support.......?

[GaryRouth]

Glad the hard disk method worked - though in the future, it's cleaner and easier to put the hard drive in the target machine & install from there [so that you don't have to fuss with the enum trick].

About the partitions - I'd assumed you'd set up FAT32 partitions all around. Is the rest of the disk unformatted? Or is it XP NTFS? [just for fun, maybe you should put WinXP on the 2nd partition, and your friend would have a dual boot system. XP would format the unformatted space, or use an NTFS partition if you made one = and your friend would have Win98 for whatever reason he has (which I'm going to guess is an older game), and also enjoy the performance and stability of XP for newer programs... of course, your friend would have to agree to all this. . . ]

Partition Magic can let you put the partitions just about any way that you'd like, if you don't want to worry about future changes.

I'll head over to your Cd thread & see what's up there . . .
. . . Gary