no defrag on W7

[Briab Guy]

I just went to defrag W7 and get a error message:

Defrag is not installed.... go to add/remove to install it.

There is no Defrag in add/remove.

Which is the best (free) defrag tool to use on W7?

And didnt it used to be part of the OS?

Thanks in advance.

[David M]

Download Defraggler 2.09.391 - FileHippo.com

It's good freeware but watch the check boxes before installation for extraneous junk it wants to install.

[Briab Guy]

I will give it a try.

I did a search (start up-search) for defragmenter and it took me to a defrag app on W7 that at least did not give me a error message. But when it analized C:,
it showed 0% fragmentation.

Maybe w7 doesn't need defraged? ever?

And thanks for the junk warning.

[glc]

Windows 7 automatically defrags itself by default on a schedule.

[Briab Guy]

I saw the schedule settings. Thing is I never saw it running.

Any way, I used the defraggler and had good results. The bench mark almost doubled and the fragmented files went from 25% to 9%.

Thanks again

[SARGE]

Using an SSD drive out of curiosity?

[Nuclear Krusader]

Defragmenting a HDD is no longer as important as it once was; you should just leave Windows 7 do its thing. You definitely must NOT defragment an SSD.

[SARGE]

Originally Posted by Nuclear Krusader Defragmenting a HDD is no longer as important as it once was; you should just leave Windows 7 do its thing. You definitely must NOT defragment an SSD.

Nuke, an interesting read at least for me. Explains it simpler than all the other stuff about defrag(?) an SSD I've read.
Never Defragment an SSD - Micro-ISV.asia

[doubledragon5]

Sarge I just read that article, and one question comes to mind. What is the average life span of a SSD drive compare to a regular HD.

[David M]

Originally Posted by glc Windows 7 automatically defrags itself by default on a schedule.

I don't know what the deal is with mine but Windows 7 doesn't defrag itself.

I just downloaded Defraggler today, when I suggested it to Briab. Defraggler spent over an hour defragmenting my drives. My drives were defragmented according their diagram. Defraggler wouldn't lie to people would they?

[jdeb]

Originally Posted by David M I don't know what the deal is with mine but Windows 7 doesn't defrag itself. I just downloaded Defraggler today, when I suggested it to Briab. Defraggler spent over an hour defragmenting my drives. My drives were defragmented according their diagram. Defraggler wouldn't lie to people would they?

Well if is set to run at 1:00 AM and the PC is off, it is not gonna run.

Defraggler is a more sophisticated piece of software and will do a much better job of organising and positioning the data.

Remember, do not defrag an SSD drive...

[auen1]

While on the subject of defrag...
How important is it to defrag RAM?

[SARGE]

Originally Posted by doubledragon5 Sarge I just read that article, and one question comes to mind. What is the average life span of a SSD drive compare to a regular HD.

Conventional wisdom, meaning the old farts, say the SSD will wear out faster. I have 4 SSDs by 3 different manufacturers and butt heads with regular HD. I'll take an SSD every day of the week - I like speed!!! I am lucky I know - never had a virus or malware and never had a drive of any kind fail. Mom & Pop did. My answer...

[Force Flow]

I generally expect 5 years out of a hard drive. Some fail earlier, some fail later.

A few weeks ago, I just pulled a handful of hard drives out of some office workstations that had a manufacture date of 1999 (two IBM "death stars", two maxtors, and a seagate)--all had 13 years of service and were still running!

SSDs are still relatively new and up until about a year ago, were still somewhat of an unknown element, so there isn't yet an accurate baseline of how long they will actually last out in the field.

However, I have seen this figure quoted in a few places: if you write 20GB of data per day to the SSD, it will last for about 5 years.

I did find this app in a forum thread on another forum while looking around for some information. It is supposed to estimating the life left on a SSD, which looked interesting.

SSDLife download page - freeware, professional and portable version downloads.
Compare freeware and professional versions of SSDlife

[EzyStvy]

Originally Posted by Auen1 While on the subject of defrag... How important is it to defrag RAM?

Can't say that I know any one that defrags ram.

[jdeb]

Originally Posted by Auen1 While on the subject of defrag... How important is it to defrag RAM?

Just reboot

[MaxRat]

for a good defrager I like Disktrix (ultimate defrag) but the fastest is still Auslogic

[Briab Guy]

SARGE,
I may have screwed the pooch
It is SSD. Western Dig.
Its running noticably faster. I need to read why SSD should not be defraged for my own sake.
As David M mentioned, my HD was very fragmented according to the new software. And it did a good job, unless the HD fails tonight!

SO, LIVE AND LEARN. This was the easyist to understand explaintion:
defragmenting an SSD reduces its life span without giving you any benefits.

Modern SSDs even lie to the operating system. If the operating system tells the drive to save a file in blocks 728, 729, and 730, the drive may decide to write it to blocks 17, 7829, and 78918 instead, if it determines that those blocks haven’t been worn out as much yet. The drive keeps a lookup table of all its blocks, so that when the OS wants to read blocks 728 through 730, the drive reads blocks 17, 7829, and 78918. With such drives, defragmentation software can’t possibly work. The software will think and tell the user that file X was nicely defragmented and stored in blocks 728, 729, and 730, while it actually has no idea where the data is stored physically on the drive.

Conclusion: don’t waste your time and your SSD’s life expectancy by defragmenting it. The automatic defragmentation in Windows 7 skips SSDs automatically. In Vista, you can disable it via the Performance Information and Tools item in the Control Panel. I do strongly recommend you upgrade to Windows 7 if you have an SSD, so you get:::
A Flashy New PC - Micro-ISV.asia

thanks again